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Alexander Grischuk vs Peter Svidler
Russian Championship (2003), Krasnoyarsk RUS, rd 9, Sep-12
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen. Normal Variation (B45)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Sep-15-03  PinkPanther: 11.Kd2......What?
Sep-16-03  pogo5: Perhaps 11...Kd7 ;-)
Sep-16-03  unclewalter: yep, that's a dead draw, alright.
Sep-17-03  hickchess99: this game smells funny
Sep-30-03  DexterGordon: Looks like the fix was in on this one...
Jan-19-04  Gunnar Abelido: WHAT an interesting novelty 11. Kd2! the king is a strong piece.
Jan-19-04  Benjamin Lau: Maybe they wanted to be funny, so Grischuk goes hey, I'll give you the draw, but can I make one king move first? "Sure" and this was the result?
Mar-31-04  RayFchess: Looks like the Grischuk attack! It's all book.
Apr-18-04  PinkPanther: Wait a is this one of Svidler's notable games?
Apr-18-04  iron maiden: Any wins or draws by a player featured in users' game collections are eligible to become "notable games". For example, Larry Evans vs Reshevsky, 1963 is one of Reshevsky's notable games.
Apr-19-04  ruylopez900: <PP> Yes, the game doesn't have to be a win for it to be notable. Some of the best games are hardfought draws where both sides are reduced to a king.
Apr-19-04  acirce: Actually most interesting and wellplayed games ARE draws. PinkPanther probably just meant that this is one of those infamous short ones. Actually I think that even those can be interesting. It's not that the first 20 moves of a game don't count or something.
Apr-19-04  PinkPanther: <ruylopez900>
Yeah, but what does a hard fought draw have to do with this game? That's surely not what it was.

Once again, this was not one of those games. I'm not complaining because it was a draw, I"m complaining because it was 11 moves long. I just find it hard for the website to say that was one of Svidler's "notable" games.

<iron maiden>
But that game actually is notable. In fact, it's quite's one of the most famous stalemate trick games.

Nov-02-04  AdrianP: <pp> <acirce> The notable games list comes automatically from the frequency with which a particular game appears in user's game collections (it was my suggestion which kindly took up). So if lots of users find this an intersting game i.e. Vischer, BenLau, MPA it becomes one of Svidler's "Notable Games" irrespective of its real quality. The answer is: only put a game in a collection if you really think it's interesting.

I'd also think that it's more than possible that the draw-offer came a move before and that Kd2 was never played. You often get stray moves (especially king moves) at the end of games which are recorded using digital boards.

Oct-30-06  Sularus: this is the Grischuk Super Hyper King Offensive. Following moves are Qxb5, which checks the black king, and Bxb5 which .... well, you just have to believe it.
Feb-07-09  WhiteRook48: these are really GMs?!

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