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| Jan-17-11 | | Llawdogg: 19 Nxf7! is a beautiful sacrifice that rips open the position and starts a very successful king hunt. And doing it against Steinitz in a World Championship match must have been very satisfying for Chigorin. Very nice. |
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| Aug-07-11 | | JoergWalter: Lasker critized 19.Nxf7 as a wrong combination which allows for a better defense. his line starts with 21. ... Qe8 (instead of Qc8) 22. Re1 Kf6 23. g4 h5 24. Bxe7+ Qxe7. In the above computer analysis 22. Qe8 is not considered. 19.a5 secures the win immediately (Lasker) |
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| Nov-09-11 | | AnalyzeThis: Ah yes, Steinitz getting slapped around in another Evans Gambit, what else is new. |
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| Jul-04-12 | | e4 resigns: <Looks like Steinitz finally came to his senses this match... 6...d6, Nice move there, Wilhelm ;)> I read somewhere that Steinitz kept on playing ...Qf6 and kept losing, but he was sure it was the right defense. Chigorin was the master of attack! |
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| Dec-25-12 | | leka: Chigorin learn to play chess at age 18 years old.It is a miracle how good chess Chigorin could play.Akiba Rubinstein also learn to play at age 18 years old.If Chigorin and Rubinstein have learn to play at age 4 years like Capablanca no one could have stopped Rubinstein and Chigorin.Chigorin made a 10 move mating attack against Alapin.Todays super grand masters elo rating 2725 can not see 6 moves ahead |
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Sep-03-13
 | | Phony Benoni: That's odd. In this , the first game of the match, Steinitz was "Chagrined". In the last game, the tables were turned! Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1892 |
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| Sep-03-13 | | offramp: "The winner of the first point is the loser of the last." - Michael Stean |
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| Sep-03-13 | | morfishine: Steinitz wins and loses scientifically
***** |
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| Sep-03-13 | | Ratt Boy: <leka: Todays super grand masters elo rating 2725 can not see 6 moves ahead> Really? On what basis can you possibly say that? |
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Sep-03-13
 | | takchess: <nasmichael> well said |
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| Sep-03-13 | | TheTamale: Steinitz after move 19: "Oh no you did-int..." |
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| Sep-03-13 | | GrandMaesterPycelle: It would be much better not to use the same pun for two games between the same players in the same match. It's rather confusing, and lazy. |
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Sep-03-13
 | | kevin86: Getting Chiggy with it... |
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| Sep-03-13 | | builttospill: In Lasker's line:
21. ... Qe8 (instead of Qc8) 22. Re1 Kf6 23. g4 h5 24. Bxe7+ Qxe7. Critter gives white +3.5 after 16ply. I like the Knight sacrifice because it's in the spirit of the romantic era. The top line given by Critter is actually 21. ...Qc7, with 22. Re1 Kf6 23. Bxe7+ Kxe7 24. Qf3 Rf8 followed by a5! White is up around +1. Little did these guys know 120 years later we'd be looking at their game with computers. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | World of Tomorrow: Mikhail Chigorin, father of the Russian chess school... or something like that. |
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Sep-03-13
 | | Bishoprick: In the St.Petersburg Chess Club, there is a series of photographs of the world champions. According to these photos, Chigorin is the first World Champion, and he might have been, had it not been for Steinitz. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | pericles of athens: Wonderful game! |
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| Feb-16-15 | | Smite: Fritz 13 can't agree with the knight sac on move 19. But following the line, all top recommended move it finally comes around and agrees MUCH later after move 24 or so. Outstanding |
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| Mar-04-16 | | yurikvelo: full multiPV: http://pastebin.com/QSGEaABC
passive 4.b4 and 7.d4 were neutralized by 9. ... Bd7? and 10. ... Nce7? 12. ... Nh6? and game achieved unrecoverable point
15. ... d5?? and 21. ... Qc8?? only make white win easy 30. ... Rg6? shortened forced mate from 28 to just 7 moves <Fritz 13 can't agree with the knight sac on move 19>
There are 9 winning moves at 19. Knight sac is second best. Exact sorting which move is best is possible only by Distance-To-Mate.
If one move is forced Mate in 35 and other move is Mate in 40 - can you say that second move is bad? If 21. Re1+! than knight sac will be more effective, forced trading back knight for pawn. 19. a5! is much more agressive move, white force exchange and have knight for 2 pawns and blocked Rook at h8.
Than white force RQ exchange and have active R+N vs blocked R
Estimated is +M46 19. a5! |
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| Nov-12-17 | | Afaque24: IN 24.bxe7+ Ne7?? would have been better?. |
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| Mar-01-18 | | tgyuid: nice; positron |
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| Oct-30-20 | | MordimerChess: Of course 19. a5 wins immediately but it's a pure satisfaction to win with a tactical hit against World Champion :D Full video analysis of this game:
https://youtu.be/AZ25It9oVUs
Enjoy! |
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| Feb-14-23 | | generror: Lasker back in 1925: "Here Chigorin made the sacrifice <19.Nxf7> and won in a few moves. With one voice the chess press -- newspapers, magazines, books -- applauded. Nobody criticized. In fact, the combination was half-sublime, half-ludicrous error. To win the game, <19.a5> was amply sufficient. [...] Black virtually fights with a rook minus and cannot bring it into play before White has inflicted mortal damage. The sacrifice <19.Nxf7>, on the contrary, immediately let that rook out and imperils the issue of the game concerning which there should have been no doubt. [...] Even the most lenient critic would have to say that Chigorin fought with a corpse, gave him a new spell of life and then killed him again." Lasker just rules :) |
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Feb-14-23
 | | chancho: Tsk tsk... This <rd 1> game and the game from <rd 23> have the same pun: Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1892 |
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| Feb-26-23 | | Capacorn: Screw 19. a5! Chigorin was the man! Steinitz was also. What a great match this was. I never knew! Just learning about it now, making my way through Kasparov’s My Great Predecessors, Part I. |
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sac: 19.Nxf7