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Paul Morphy vs Louis Paulsen
1st American Chess Congress (1857), New York, NY USA, rd 4, Nov-02
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen-Basman Defense (B40)  ·  1-0



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Apr-07-08  The Chess Express: Yea, after 6. Nb5 Bxe3 7. fxe3 Nc6 8. Nd6+ Ke7 9. Nc4 Qc5 it looks like black is becoming pretty active.
Apr-08-08  RookFile: Given the way the game went, I think black had every reason to be satisfied with his position out of the opening. This game is quite impressive, I think both players were ahead of their time.
Apr-08-08  The Chess Express: Yep, I agree 100%.
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  whiteshark: In the position after <19.Qd2>

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19…Qd4+ 20.Qf2 Qxf2+ 21.Rxf2 d6 or 19…d6 20.Rfd1 Qd4+ or 19…Nh5 20.Rad1 d6 would have secured a small black advantage.

Apr-15-08  Riverbeast: Beautiful game, I love the purity and clarity of Morphy's play
May-18-08  heuristic: This is game #5 of the final round of the 1st American Chess Congress
May-18-08  heuristic: <In the position after <19.Qd2> 19…Qd4+ 20.Qf2 Qxf2+ 21.Rxf2 d6 or
19…d6 20.Rfd1 Qd4+ or
19…Nh5 20.Rad1 d6
would have secured a small black advantage>

however, these lines seem to equalize :
19...Qd4+ 20.Kh1 Nh5 21.Rfd1 Ng3+ 22.Kh2
19...d6 20.Rfd1 d5 21.Qf2 dxe4 22.Bxe4
19...Nh5 20.Rad1 Nf4 21.Rf2 Rgd8 22.c4

May-18-08  heuristic: <Rybka 2.3.1 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move> i don't want to regurgitate the previous "man vs engine" thread....

i'm curious why rybka rated 61.Rxd4+ higher than 61.Ka5. Personally i like Rxd4+, but my exposure to engines lead me to believe that Ka5 would be evaluated higher.

61.Rxd4+ Kxd4 62.c7 Ra1+ 63.Kb3 Rb1+ 64.Ka3 Rc1 65.b6 Rc3+ 61.Ka5 Rh5 62.c7 Rxb5+ 63.Ka6 Kxb4 64.Rxd4+ Kc5 65.c8Q+ Kxd4 66.Kxb5 #11

note that i used 62...Ra1+ in the first line to remain compliant with Rybka's analysis.(Ra1+ = 6.45 versus Rh7 = 25.95)

note that the second line leads to a forced mate. (but it requires a depth of 22 ply)

With engines, it's a delicate balance between branch depth and tree width; i'm wondering if the 10min/move parameter influences width more than depth.

and i'm not critizing nimh's work. I find his work & analysis with "complexity of positions" to be excellent.

May-20-08  heuristic: <In the position after 19.Qd2> i misunderstood <whiteshark>'s comment, even if the lines equalize; BLK's position is still better than with the game move 19...Rg7.

even 19...d5 20.Rad1 Rgd8 21.Qf2 dxe4 22.Bxe4 is better than an engine-best line of 19...Rg7 20.Rad1 d6 21.Rf2 Nh5 22.a4.

it sure looks like 19...Rg7 is not a good line, in fact it might be considered a mistake :-)

May-24-08  addiction to chess: Morphy was truly Great.
Sep-22-08  The Chess Express: He’s my favorite early chess player.
Dec-13-08  Bear With Me: It is easy to overlook that Morphy had a good understanding of endgames, as well as being noted for his tactical play. In this respect I think he is similar to Tal, who as we all know was a tactical genius, but has many fine endgame wins to his credit where he shows excellent technique, but is never really given proper recognition, in same way as it wass for Morphy:
Jun-02-09  David2009: There is a very interesting variation proposed by <Calli> in Morphy-Paulsen 5th match game 1857. After the moves 47...Re5! (in place of 47...Ke5) 48.Ra6 Re3+! 49.Kf2! Rc3 50.Rxb6+ Ke5 51.a5 Rxc2+ 52.Kf3 Rc3+ 53.Ke2 d4, one reaches with White to play

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This gives Black better practical chances than in the game but still seems to be a win for White. I can see no defence to 54 a6, e.g. 54.. Ke4 55 Rb5 Rc2+ 56 Kd1 Kd3 57 a7 and Black has insufficient counter-play. Comments welcome.

Jun-18-11  fionas88888: Beautiful game, I love the purity and clarity of Morphy's play.
Aug-21-12  pericles of athens: 61. Rxd4+! I love it!
Sep-30-12  LIFE Master AJ: A monster game of chess, esp. for the time period. Morphy triumphs, perhaps from sheer talent and force of will, in nothing else. (His opening looked somewhat questionable.)
Sep-30-12  LIFE Master AJ: Perhaps better was 6.Na3!
Nov-19-12  schnarre: ...Morphy was definitely sharper in tactics here, but this was one of Paulson's better games against him: Black had satisfactory play for quite some time. A great Morphy game from both sides!
Nov-09-14  joddon: a futuristic game of capablanca almost.endgame pawn complications must have begun now!!
Nov-19-14  Ke2: i love how theatrical even the rook endgame is
Apr-21-16  Bobinator: I can understand why Paulsen resigned. And we could all win in the position of a queen a pawn and a king vs a king. Still i feel if allowed Morphy would have closed out the game creatively in one or two moves.
Jan-18-21  bkpov: 42...Ne4+ for black. Any thing wrong with this move?
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  MissScarlett: <Louis Paulsen was one of the best players in the world, and easily second best in America at the time.>

But Paulsen was more of an unknown before this event than Morphy.

Jan-18-21  realdumptrump: Gack, <Missy>, you're replying to a post from 2003 on page 1 (out of 3), without noting either the author or link?

Points off just for sheer laziness.

How hard is it to copy-and-paste the perma-link?

Morphy vs Paulsen, 1857 (kibitz #4)


PS- I'm lazy too, i.e. too lazy to switch into my Z4all superhero uniform for this post.

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  MissScarlett: Renette's book on Paulsen indicates that he'd never had a game published before the start of the event. That he was even there suggests the tom-toms between Dubuque and New York were in operation, but he must have arrived in town as an absolute stranger.
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