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Rose vs Wilhelm Steinitz
"La Vie en Rose" (game of the day Apr-29-2009)
Casual game (1886), Brooklyn, NY USA
Scotch Game: Steinitz Variation (C45)  ·  0-1

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Sep-11-05  bomb the bishop: I'm impressed
Nov-03-05  chesscrazy: Hmmm...Rose has only played one game according to the chessgames.com database...does this say anything?
Mar-04-06  popski: Well, to see 13. ...♖xd2!! you must be Steinitz. Gee, what a move!
Jun-22-07  Timothy Glenn Forney: Here is some analysis by shredder I've been working on its very interesting studying this varitation of the scotch.1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Qh4 5. Qd3 Nf6 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Nxc6 dxc6 8. e5 Ng4 9. g3 Qe7 10. f4 O-O 11. Bd2 Be6 12. Bh3 Rad8 13. Qe2 Rxd2 14. Qxd2 Rd8 15. Qe2 Qc5 16. Rd1 (16. Bxg4 Bxc3+ 17. bxc3 Bxg4 (17... Qxc3+ 18. Kf2 Bxg4 19. Qxg4 Rd2+ 20. Qe2 Qc5+ 21. Kf3 Rxe2 22. Kxe2 Qxc2+ 23. Kf3 Qd3+ 24. Kg2 Kf8 ) 18. Qxg4 Qxc3+ 19. Kf2 Rd2+ 20. Qe2 Qc5+ 21. Kf3 Rxe2 22. Kxe2 Qxc2+ 23. Kf3 Kf8 24. h4 Qc3+) 16... Bxc3+ 17. bxc3 Qxc3+ 18. Rd2 (18. Qd2 Rxd2 19. Rxd2 Qe3+ 20. Kd1 Nf2+ 21. Rxf2 Qxf2 22. Kc1 Bxh3) 18... Bf5 (18... Bc4 19. O-O Rxd2 20. Qxd2 Qxd2 21. Bxg4 Bxf1 22. Kxf1 Qxh2 23. Bc8 Qxg3 24. Ke2 b5 25. Bb7 Qxf4 26. Kd1 Qxe5 27. Kd2 Qd4+ 28. Ke2 Qe4+ 29. Kd2) 19. Qd1 Nf2 (19... Nxe5 20. fxe5 Bxh3 21. Qe2 Rd5 22. e6 Re5 23. Qxe5 Qxe5+ 24. Re2 Qa5+ 25. Kf2 Qc5+ 26. Kf3 Qd5+ 27. Ke3 Qxh1 28. e7 Bd7 29. a4 f6 30. Kd2 Kf7 31. c3 Qa1 32. g4 c5 33. Re4 Bxa4 34. e8=Q+ Bxe8 35. Re3 Qb2+ 36. Kd1 Ba4+ 37. Ke1 Bb5 38. c4 Qc1+ 39. Kf2 Qd2+ 40. Re2 Qf4+ 41. Ke1 Qxc4 42. Re3 Qf1+ 43. Kd2 Qf2+ 44. Kc3 Qxe3+ 45. Kc2 Qe2+ 46. Kb3 Ba4+ 47. Kxa4 Qb2 48. h4 Qb4#) 20. Ke2 Rxd2+ 21. Qxd2 Qxd2+ 22. Kxd2 Bxh3 23. Rb1 b6 24. Ke2 Ne4 25. Ke3 Nc5 26. Rg1 h5 27. Rd1 Kf8 0-1
Apr-29-09
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  al wazir: 20. Ke2. Now what?

The best I can see is 20...Rxd2+ 21. Qxd2 Qxd2+ 22. Kxd2 Bxh3 -- with a material advantage (♗+♘+♙ vs. ♖), but not an overwhelming one.

Apr-29-09  OneArmedScissor: al wazir

20. ...Nxd1, then what?

Apr-29-09  ironxcl: OneArmedScissor:
21. Rd8#. Then what?

20...Rxd2+ 21. Qxd2 Qxd2+ 22. Kxd2 Bxh3 is more than enough to win: 4 pawns vs 2 on Queenside will be unstoppable.

Apr-29-09
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: And a pretty good example of why White must be prepared to sacrifice the e-pawn in this variation.
Apr-29-09  gmalino: <ironxcl> 21. Rd8# is an illegal move. The Rook is pinned by the Queen! Time to resign.
Apr-29-09  mertangili: <gmalino> no the rook is not pinned because 20. Ke2 was played in the variation. So i guess with 20. Ke2 black will end up having a bishop, a knight and a pawn for a rook which is pretty much winning by force with correct play
Apr-29-09
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  holdem33: nice open game.
Apr-29-09  eric the Baptist: Greetings fellow chess nerds!
This looks like a game I might be involved in. As white. Any idea what Capa's rating might have been right before Reti beat him in New York?
Apr-29-09  zb2cr: <al wazir> is right, White must have been demoralized by the attack and facing the then-World Champion, to have resigned instead of trying 20. Ke2, Rxd2+; 21. Qxd2, Qxd2+; 22. Kxd2, Bxh3.

This would be a long win to work out, but White must have simply thought: "There's no way STEINITZ is going to allow me drawing chances in that kind of ending."

Apr-29-09
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  kevin86: The knight attacks three pieces-with a modicum of caution,black will easily win the post.

20 ♕c1 ♕e3+ 21 ♔f1 ♕xd2} nOT,and I repeat not,20...♕e3+ 21 ♔f1 ♘xh3??? 22 ♖xd8#-OUCH!

Apr-29-09  Marmot PFL: 4...Qh4 is typical Steinitz, White should let the pawn go 5 Nb5 Qxe4+ 6 Be2 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Kd8, buttlosing castling didnt bother Steinitz.
Apr-29-09  TheChessGuy: Maybe Steinitz's real last name was Piaf... Anyone else speak French?
Apr-29-09  JG27Pyth: @kevin:< 20 Qc1 Qe3+ 21 Kf1 Qxd2 ... >

I believe black has instead...
21... Bxh3+ 22.Kg1 Nd1+ 23. Rf2 Qxf2#

Apr-29-09  JG27Pyth: That exchange sac to keep the king in the middle is pro.

Al wazir's Ke2 defense deserves an exclamation point! It's not easy to find, but it's quite correct IMO, White can force her way out of the jam by exploiting her threat against Black's weak back rank.

Apr-29-09  WhiteRook48: Triple fork!!
Apr-11-11  Whitehat1963: Stick to basketball, Derrick.
Mar-30-12  Naniwazu: <chesscrazy> yes..that this was a simul game.
Aug-07-12  master of defence: What happens after 16.Bxg4 Bxc3+ 17.bxc3 Bxg4 18.Qxg4 Qxc3+ 19.Kf2 Rd2+ 20.Kf1?
Oct-07-14
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  MissScarlett: <Chewed the Rose>
Dec-21-19
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  MissScarlett: As revealed by his own <International Chess Magazine> (vol.ii, Nov. 1886, p.347), Steinitz played <18 B-B5>, i.e. <18...Bc4>, not <18...Bf5>, making sense of <19.Qd1> and disallowing any <Ke2>.

Steinitz gives the opponent as <F Rose>, almost certainly the <Frederick Rose> who later became a senior official of the Brooklyn and Crescent Athletic chess clubs. <F Rose> was beaten by Lasker in an 1892 simul at the Brooklyn CC.

Dec-25-19
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  Telemus: There is a similar case in ICM vol. vi, p 249. This time Steinitz presented a game played at the Manhattan Chess Club between F. Rose and Lipschütz.

Stephen Davies writes without indicating any doubt that Lipschütz's opponent was Frederick Rose, but adds a question mark to the Manhattan Chess Club (Samuel Lipschütz: A Life in Chess, p 185). No further sources given.

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