| May-26-03 | | djp: What the heck is move 14 (both white and black) all about? |
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May-26-03
 | | Sneaky: This is obviously a typo.
I tried to figure out where the typo is, but it's too hard. It seems to me that maybe a piece was on e1 (the knight?), so 14...Re1 was really 14...Rxe1 |
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| May-26-03 | | djp: Nope. That knight moves again on move 49, so it can't be dead.
Here was my first guess when I saw this: Maybe white meant to capture the rook with the queen but accidentally dropped the piece on another square? Then black, in a show of good sportswomanship decides to make a move that allows white to take her rook on the next move? Black's rook would have been lost on the previous move anyway, so she figured to go ahead and give it up anyway?
If I'm right, Gaponenko is to be complimented.
And if I'm right, the reason she would have made a nonsensical move with her rook is because any other move would have given her a tempo advantage. This way white and black both make a move that does nothing to advance the game. And when white's queen finally takes the rook on 15, everything is back to where it should have been. White's only disadvantage being that her queen is on the efile instead of the h.
All of this is PURE speculation on my part, however. |
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May-26-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: Maybe the critical sequence was 13...Ke7 (instead of 13...Rxh1) 14.Qd1 (or Q another field - I would guess g1 with intention to play Rh2 and Qh1) 14...Rxh1 15.Qxh1 Qf8 16.Qh7 etc. In this case the game would be one move shorter but it is also a pure speculation. I'll try to find the correct gamescore. I guess that such a sensational success of our ladies like their victory over Ukraine in the 4th round of Olympiad in Bled was well covered by our press. |
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| May-26-03 | | djp: Turns out I have the gamescore in my own database of about 3 million games. It is identical to this. But that doesn't prove anything.
I could have downloaded the game from the same place the person who originally uploaded it to this site got it. (I know I did not DOWNload it from this site.)
But my guess is the pgn is correct. The only question is my original one: Why this move? |
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May-26-03
 | | chessgames.com: If we can't figure this out, we'll just delete the game. Maybe in the future somebody will find the real score and submit it. |
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| May-26-03 | | Cerebrate2006: ok, i like your idea djp, but if someone was kind enough to do that to me, no matter what kind of person i am, I would play for a draw, at the most. So that said, i am kind of hoping it is just a pgn error, or white is not the nicest person in the world. |
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May-26-03
| | Honza Cervenka: The original source is the official site of Bled Olympiad - http://www.sah-zveza.si/ol2002/form... There are many games with typos. Some of them were discussed at chessgames.com too. The problem is that the olympiad produces too many games which are saved into computer in pgn format without proper control of correctness of gamescores. Later nobody cares about it and the incorrect gamescores are reproduced from one database to another. This gamescore is evidently nonsensical. I didn't see another gamescore or commented game yet but I read some news about the 4th round and the match Czech republic - Ukraine and none of them mentioned any "incident" like this. |
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| May-28-03 | | djp: Well, I went straight to the source and emailed Olga Sikorova. Honza Cervenka is correct: there were transcription problems in the first few rounds.
Ms Sikorova says her move on 14 was Qxh1. She also says that there are moves after 53. Qf7+ which don't show up in the official score.
She says that was followed by 53. ...Qe6 54. c4+ Ke5 55. d4+ and then black's resignation.
I didn't ask her to explain what the real moves AFTER 14 Qxh1 were, so I guess the middlegame will remain a mystery for a while.
Rather than take this game offsite, however, it might be better to leave it online, with our annotations. This may be the only place on the entire internet where the problem with the gamescore is explained. As has been pointed out, the official tournament site has the wrong gamescore. So until we can get a complete and accurate gamescore, it may better serve the interests of chess to leave this one here with our notes. |
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May-28-03
| | Honza Cervenka: According to gamescore published in Czech chess magazine SACHinfo 17/2002 the line after the 13th move of black (13...Rxh1) should be 14. Qxh1 Ke7 15. Qh7 Qf8 16. Nc3 d6 17. Rh1 Nd7 18. e4 Qg8 19. Qh4 Kd8 20. a4 a6 21. Bd3 Kc7 etc. As you can see after 21...Kc7 in this line it is the same position like in the bad gamescore after 23...Kc7. From this moment the gamescore seems to be right. The gamescore in SACHinfo ends with 51. Qf7+, but in fact the game continued with 51...Qe6 52. c4+ Ke5 53. d4+ and black resigned. [Event "Olympiad, women"]
[Site "Bled SLO"]
[Date "2002-10-29"]
[EventDate "2002.10.26"]
[Round "4"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "O Sikorova"]
[Black "I Gaponenko"]
[ECO "A02"]
[WhiteElo "2292"]
[BlackElo "2411"]
[PlyCount "106"]
[EventDate "2002.10.26"]
1. f4 c5 2. b3 b6 3. Bb2 Bb7 4. e3 e6
5. Nf3 Nf6 6. Be2 g6 7. g4 Bg7 8. h4 Kf8
9. g5 Ne8 10. Qc1 h6 11. Kf2 hxg5
12. Bxg7+ Nxg7 13. hxg5 Rxh1 14. Qxh1 Ke7
15. Qh7 Qf8 16. Nc3 d6 17. Rh1 Nd7
18. e4 Qg8 19. Qh4 Kd8 20. a4 a6
21. Bd3 Kc7 22. Qg4 Qf8 23. Rh6 Qe7
24. Rh7 Rg8 25. Rh2 Qf8 26. Qg2 f5
27. exf5 Nxf5 28. Qg4 Qf7 29. Ne2 Ne7
30. Rh6 e5 31. Bc4 Bd5 32. Bxa6 Rf8
33. Bb5 Be6 34. Qg2 exf4 35. Qh2 Bg4
36. Bxd7 Kxd7 37. Qg2 Bf5 38. d3 Nd5
39. Qh1 Qe6 40. Rh7+ Kc8 41. Ra7 Qe3+
42. Kf1 Re8 43. Ra8+ Kd7 44. Rxe8 Qxe8
45. Qh7+ Kc6 46. b4 Nxb4 47. Nfd4+ cxd4
48. Nxd4+ Kd5 49. Nxf5 gxf5 50. Qxf5+ Qe5
51. Qf7+ Qe6 52. c4+ Ke5 53. d4+
1-0 |
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May-28-03
| | chessgames.com: Many thanks to both Honza and djp for their great research. The new score makes perfect sense, and now I see that 47.Nfd4+! is a great shot. 3-million game megabase eat your heart out ;-) |
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May-28-03
| | Honza Cervenka: 47.Nfd4+ is very nice move but black is not lost yet. 51....Qe6 was a decisive blunder. After 51...Kc6 (Of course not 51...Kc5 for 52.Qc4#) black is o.k. White should play 51.Qc8 threatening with 52.Qc4#. The position is then probably drawish: 51...Nc6 <51...Nxd3 52.cxd3 Qxg5 53.Qc4+ Ke5 54.Qb5+ d5 55.Qxb6 etc. or 51...Qa1+ 52.Ke2 f3+ 53.Kd2 Nxd3 (of course not 53...f2?? for 54.Qc4+ Ke5 55.Qe4#; 53...Qa2 54.Qf5+) 54.cxd3 Qb2 55.Ke3 etc.> 52.Qg8+ Qe6 53.c4+ Ke5 54.Qh8+ Kf5 55.Qh3+ Ke5 56.Qh8+ = At the end of game both players were probably in time pressure. By the way many games in olympiad were finished in fact as a blitz game, what didn't improve much their quality...:-( |
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| May-29-03 | | Cerebrate2006: so much better of a game now that is is fixed, even though it was slightly funny with the typo |
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Kibitzing
sac: 47.Nfd4+