chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Alexander Sellman vs Eugene Delmar
5th American Chess Congress, New York (1880), Manhattan, New York USA, rd 1, Jan-06
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Mackenzie Variation (C77)  ·  1-0

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

explore this opening
find similar games 1 more A Sellman/E Delmar game
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: If you do not want to read posts by a certain member, put them on your ignore list.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
Sep-05-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessical: Sellmann seems to have liked this unusual line against the Berlin: see Sellman vs Chigorin, 1883.

Swapping the R's off with 36...Rd1, led to a lost ending for Delmar. Rg4 instead should have led the draw.

May-30-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  nasmichael: Thank you, Chessical. Learning when to "hold 'em or fold 'em" is a crucial part of this game. OK, chessfans, without your fritzian "calculators", after 36...Rd1, show a logical pathway to a draw, best moves assumed for both players. Then, afterwards, check your "mathematics" with those machines. It doesn't matter much whether machines know endgames well--they are only tools. It is similar to knowing your car goes faster than a human--it never will take itself out for a joyride--at least not this week (May 30, 2005).
May-31-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessical: Swapping off the R's is hopeless as Black quickly runs out of pawn moves, putting the R on <g4> uses it to keep the White K from penetrating.
Oct-02-07  wim van os: It is so easy to spoil a endgame!
Black throw it all away with 43... Kd5??
The difference with 43...Kd4!! seems so small but it is the decisive tempo!

43... Kd4!!
44.Kb6 c5
45.Kxa5 Kc3
46.Kb5 Kxb3 is a draw as black’s king is in time to take the f-pawn if white’s king runs to the g-pawns.

and after

43... Kd4!!
44.Kxc6 black is one tempo up compared to the actual game with Kd5??

44...Ke3
45.Kb5 Kxf4
46.Kxa5 g5
47.b4 g4
48.b5 g3
49.b6 g2
50.b7 g1Q
51.b8Q+ is a easy draw

39... b5! Is also better than the actual played move 39...a5. It draws easy after: 40.a5 b4
41.b3 g5
42.fxg5 g6
43.Kxb4 Kxd6
44.Kc4 c5 and so on (funny blocked position)

In this variation white can go terrible wrong:
41.Kb6??(instead of 41.b3)
41... Kxd6
42.Kxa6 Kc7
43.b3 g5
44.fxg5 g6
45.Ka7 c5 and it is one of black pawns to queen first

Feb-21-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessical: Whilst <36...Rg4> should be a draw, I was wrong about swapping the R's off with <36...Rd1>.

<36...Rd1> also draws after <43...Kd4!!> as illustrated by wim van os. You need to be able to count accurately as every tempo counts in K+P endings!

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
  8. Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
Should I aim to keep the rook at move 34, or trade them off?
from What would you do? by nasmichael
Amazing Endgame Talents!!
by Alexin22
3p vs 2p
from Endgames Kibitzed by FENfiend
New York 1880
by suenteus po 147
3p vs 2p
from Endgames Kibitzed by igiene

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2023, Chessgames Services LLC