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Aug-28-11
 | | perfidious: All this is wrong-it was Jerry Jones who played Black, then realised he would be better off in the business milieu. |
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Oct-25-11
 | | FSR: Boo - he could have played 8.Qh6+ instead. |
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Oct-25-11
 | | Phony Benoni: But that wouldn't have been original, but merely copying the idea from Zukertort vs Anderssen, 1865. Besides, it goes against all opening principles to move the queen twice before moving the QB once. Or maybe he didn't think Black's play was worth wasting a queen sac on. In any event, this game may well have contributed to Fischer's later psychological trauma. I wouldn't e surprised if, for the rest of the night, everybody kept asking him, "Why didn't you play 8.Q-R6 ch against Jones?" Enough to embitter anyone. |
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| Nov-29-14 | | TheFocus: From a simul in Detroit, Michigan on February 9, 1964. Fischer scored +47=2-2. |
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| May-13-15 | | DanielHoseano: Fischer lose 2 game from simuls? Wew |
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May-07-18
 | | tpstar: <This is silly, a game like this doesn't belong in a serious database> At least we know the name of the opening! <Boo - he could have played 8.Qh6+ instead> Boden's Mate! So hard keeping up with the Joneses. |
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| Sep-23-22 | | Whitehat1963: After 5...Nxf6 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Bg5 Qe7 8. Bxf6 Qxe4+ 9. Qe2 Qxe2+ 10. Nxe2 gxf6 11. O-O-O you have a somewhat even game with even material and no immediate threats on either side. |
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Sep-23-22
 | | HeMateMe: Alias, Fisch and Jones. (Just for you folks who remember the '70s.) |
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| Sep-23-22 | | lentil: 8 Qh6+ would have been so much nastier! |
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| May-22-23 | | Brenin: <HeMateMe>: I preferred Alas, Smith and Jones, from the 1980s. |
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Jul-08-24
| | FSR: <Brenin> That's <Alias Smith and Jones>. |
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Jul-09-24
| | perfidious: Pity <Brenin> has not been seen for some months now. I should also note <Alias Smith and Jones> was actually televised in the early 1970s. |
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Jul-09-24
 | | marcusantoinerome: I used to love watching "Alias Smith and Jones"! |
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| Jul-09-24 | | Granny O Doul: 8 Bh6+ is preminiscent of Fischer's choosing the queen's mate over the bishop's in Fischer vs Mac Hack VI, 1977 . He's not my hero anymore. |
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Jul-11-24
| | FSR: <Granny> Interesting. Fischer seemed to prefer the queen mate where most people would have preferred the mate by the bishop, the weaker piece. Cf. P Pantelidakis vs F Rhine, 1974. Similarly, in the classic game Ed. Lasker vs G A Thomas, 1912, Edward Lasker played 18.Kd2# when almost everyone else would have preferred 18.O-O-O#. |
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| Jul-12-24 | | Olavi: <FSR> Much as in Jussupow vs Ehlvest, 1988 William Watson wrote that players to the gallery, such as himself, would have played 33.Qxe8; Yusupov, having a more refined taste, preferred the game move. |
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Jul-13-24
 | | keypusher: < Olavi: <FSR> Much as in
Jussupow vs Ehlvest, 1988
William Watson wrote that players to the gallery, such as himself, would have played 33.Qxe8; Yusupov, having a more refined taste, preferred the game move.> But 33.Qxe8 was a stronger move. |
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| Jul-13-24 | | Olavi: <keypusher> No, I don't think it would have scored more than 33.Bd4+. |
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Jul-13-24
| | keypusher: <Olavi: <keypusher> No, I don't think it would have scored more than 33.Bd4+.> 33.Qxe8, SF's top choice, is mate in nine.
33.Rc7, SF's second choice, is mate in 10.
33.Bd4+, SF's third choice, is about +7. Definitely winning, and it's a silly move to complain about, but there's no way that +7 is as good as mate. Especially since the first two moves in SF's top line are 33.Qxe8 Qa7 34.Bxa7. |
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| Jul-14-24 | | Olavi: <keypusher> I disagree. A quicker mate is not a stronger move. |
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Jul-14-24
| | keypusher: <Olavi: <keypusher> I disagree. A quicker mate is not a stronger move.> Even if it's 20+ moves quicker? |
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| Jul-14-24 | | Olavi: <keypusher> No. It depends, mainly what is easiest. If every decent player resigns after seeing the move, then that is the strongest move. There may be other strongest moves. |
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| Jul-14-24 | | Olavi: The very easy example is that you rob all your opponent's meaningful pieces - but mate in 15 or 20 - or you play a line that mates in four or five - but is incomprehensible, until you look very closely. Such positions and games do exist. |
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Jul-14-24
 | | offramp: The move 5...gxf6 is totally crazy. Did Black have a prepared surprise? |
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Jul-15-24
| | FSR: <Olavi> <keypusher> I certainly would have played 33.Qxe8, and I daresay the vast majority of players would. It's the fastest win, the most spectacular, and most likely to induce immediate resignation. The trifecta. Yusupov's 33.Bd4+ is an odd choice. |
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