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NN vs Bertram Goulding Brown
Casual game (1912), Cambridge ENG
Four Knights Game: Double Spanish (C49)  ·  0-1

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Apr-02-05
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  tpstar: 10. gxf3 Qh3 bags the lady (11 ... Nxf3+). A good example of how Black can successfully delay castling because of the nasty pin on the Nf3.
Mar-08-20  Hrungnir: Goulding vs. Brown?? This game is included in Du Mont's 200 Miniature Games of Chess as being played by a mister Goulding-Brown. Not Goulding vs. Brown. Probably referring to Bertram Goulding Brown. No opponent was given. Also, Du Mont's book was published in 1941, so the year 1960 is also incorrect.
Mar-08-20
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Hrungnir> Can you tell us who played the white pieces?

Then we could fix this to <Goulding-Brown vs NN> or <NN vs Goulding-Brown>.

Mar-08-20
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Hrungnir> Does your book give the year the game was actually played?

I changed it to 1941 which is at least possible, unlike 1960.

Mar-08-20  Hrungnir: <jessicafischerqueen> Goulding-Brown had the black pieces. No year is given unfortunately.
Mar-08-20
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  roberts partner: Why can't you just change the heading to NN v Bertram Goulding-Brown to be correct? It's ridiculous as it stands.

Julius du Mont's 200 Miniature Games was published while German bombers were flying over his Thornton Heath home every night, and I guess what happened is that G-B showed him the game and, being a traditional English gentleman, declined to embarrass his opponent by revealing the name. I personally played G-B in the fourth round of Southsea 1949.

Keeping the heading as Goulding v Brown is utter, utter nonsense and insulting to the memory of both G-B and du Mont.

Mar-08-20
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  MissScarlett: <Why can't you just change the heading to NN v Bertram Goulding-Brown to be correct?>

Calm yourself. Nothing 'just' happens around here. Volunteer (poor, exploited us!) editors only have the power to change the following fields: <Event>; <Site>; <Date>; <Round>. Anything else is above our pay scale. This will just have to join the queue of submitted corrections, last numbered at about 800. Expect it to be attended to around 2023.

Mar-08-20
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  roberts partner: That last comment directly contradicts what jessicafischersqueen stated in her second post above.
Mar-08-20
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  MissScarlett: Given a choice between what I say and anyone else, best go with me.....literally speaking, the lady is not wrong....we could fix this...if by 'we' is meant the powers-at-large, but, individually speaking, her powers are small. Alles klar?
Mar-08-20
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  roberts partner: I am now reliably informed that the game ('A friendly game at Cambridge University CC won by B Goulding Brown') was first published on page 558 of the March 1912 Chess Amateur. I have seen a photocopy of the actual page.

Therefore the game was played in 1912 at the latest, and the date of 1941 given above is wrong by at least 29 years.

I note that sites and dates can be corrected by individual editors, so await a change in the heading above from England 1941 to Cambridge 1912.

Mar-08-20
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  jessicafischerqueen:

So combining all of the information so far, it should be <NN v Bertram Goulding Brown> played in 1912.

1912 being what must be considered the least inaccurate year in which the game could have been played so far amirite. The year doesn't have to be exact if we don't know it. Luckily, thanks to <Hrungnir> and <roberts partner> we now have a much better guess than 1960.

Thanks <MissScarlett> for clarifying, but by "we" I meant the "Royal we."

We are the Queen of England.

Mar-08-20
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  MissScarlett: It's what I like about this site - the true collegiate spirit.
Mar-08-20
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  Diademas: <jessicafischerqueen:
We are the Queen of England.>

'Oui' are the Queen of France.

Mar-08-20
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Diademas> heh...

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<Steamed Colleagues>:

Do we want <NN v Bertram Goulding Brown> or <NN v Bertram Goulding-Brown>?

Mar-08-20
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  MissScarlett: We want consistency...Bertram Goulding Brown

It's already in order....or in this case, on order.

Mar-08-20
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<MissScarlett>

Much like the notorious leopard, well spotted.

So we are ready to submit a correction slip amirite.

Mar-08-20
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  MissScarlett: On order....IOW, it's in the works...this, I surmise, will receive priority treatment.
Mar-08-20
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  MissScarlett: Wow....that was quick.

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