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Sep-10-03 | | patzer2: <helloriker> Is that 10...Qg5 instead of 10...d5 (or 10...0-0 as in the game) that you want to look at? Or do you wish to investigate 10...d5 11. R(a)e1 Be6 12. Bxd5 Qg5 (instead of 12...0-0)? |
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Sep-10-03 | | helloriker: that would be instead of 10 ... d5 I think you lose the f pawn but that is it. White is going to have to reposition the bishops to gain an attack on the queen side and that gives black the tempo to develop and defend against it. Possibly with d6 in a later move to give the king some manuverability and allow the bishop to develop. I would also try to seudo castle the king on the queen side if tempo permits it. |
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Sep-11-03 | | patzer2: <helloriker> Appears that 10...Qg5 (instead of 10...0-0 or 10...d5) gives white several excellent options. Without cranking up Fritz 8 or looking too deeply, 11. Bxf7+, 11. Re1+ or 11. Nf3 all look like they lead to a solid white advantage. At this point (black's tenth move) it is doubtful whether black can survive the white attack, and I think it would have been much better for him to have played one of the earlier options recommended above such as 7...0-0 or 8...Nc6. |
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Sep-12-03 | | helloriker: <patzer2> Looking at those moves to both the checks I would say you play Kd8 and sacrifice the castle. If 11 Nf3 then Qg6. Nf3 makes it a little harder for black to defend but it is not imposible. Especially if black can make good moves to lock down the board. The G file is critical to control if black wants to castle king side. Black could play 10 Kd8 but this move is better to wait on since if it is done on a check it will allow black to possibly pick up a tempo. The nf3 line does look like the best option for white. |
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Sep-12-03 | | patzer2: <helloriker> Suggest you run it through a computer program for analysis or to try and defend the position as black. I would much prefer to defend black's position after 7...0-0 or 8...Nc6 than to have to defend after 10....Qg5. This move may avoid any immediate tactical shot, but looks like it creates a positional and tactical nightmare for black to have to defend against. White is already well developed and this black queen foray gives white more tempo and development for the attack. |
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Sep-12-03 | | helloriker: <Patzer2> I would rather play it from back there as well, but I think that the position is still holdable for black. I don't have a chess computer to run the positions through though. After looking at it further I think Qf8 is probably blacks best move after 10 Nxd2, the queen is in a relatively safe location protecting the f and g pawns. Whites only obvious move is the Rae1+ possibly with a line that would look like this 10 Nxd2 qf8 11 Rae1+ Be7
now white has no really clear move I would think 12 Ba3 or 12 Nf3 would be whites moves. at any rate this position looks very defendable to me. And black doesn't have to give back the pawns. Although he can to regain some tempo and get his king to the queen side of the board. This game is an exellent demonstration of why not to castle into the attack :) |
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Sep-22-03 | | patzer2: <helloriker> 10. ...Nxd2 Qf8 11. Rae1+ Be7 12. Qg3 f6 13. Qxc7 and white has a winning position. |
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Aug-12-04 | | mack: I presume this must have been a game of the day. "That can't be Legal"? Something like that? |
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Oct-29-04 | | Apocalypse79: Good position with two bishops. |
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Nov-26-05 | | DeepBlade: <Apocalypse79> That is also the reason why Whit did win the game. It is fatal to castle kingside for Black, because the 2 Bishops are pointing at it. Heck, the 2 Bishops are the main reason why people play the Danish! |
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Sep-26-08 | | TheTamale: If I were Black, instead of resigning, I'd play on with 12. g5. |
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Oct-01-08 | | TheTamale: Please disregard last comment; I have no idea what I was thinking. |
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Jun-27-09 | | WhiteRook48: 10 Rfe1 maybe |
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May-19-17 | | whiteshark: Better call S Saul.
I can make it Legal. |
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Dec-18-18 | | GumboGambit: An entertaining Legal Brief |
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Feb-25-21 | | Whitehat1963: What an unusually passive way to win—by never venturing past the fourth rank! Amazing! |
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Feb-27-21
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Indeed, <Whitehat1963>! Truly White must rank as the shyest winner ever. |
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Mar-08-21 | | Whitehat1963: Stockfish suggests: 8...Nc6 9. O-O Na5 10. Qb5 Nxc4 11. Qxc4 d6 12. e5 dxe5 13. Bxe5 Be6 14. Qc2 O-O-O to refute black’s attack and maintain a lead. |
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Mar-10-21 | | Whitehat1963: Rather, to refute WHITE’S attack and for black to maintain a slight lead. |
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Oct-31-24
 | | Korora: Pushing a single ♙ over the first four moves, and only developing a piece AFTER the ♙ is captured. makes a negative amount of sense |
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Oct-31-24
 | | offramp: A very good pun with a Halloween theme.
Halloween is a quarter day in the legal profession. Today's pun was suggested in the kibitzing, about 6 posts earlier. Well done, User: GumboGambit. Have a happy Halloween! 🎃👻🎃. |
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Oct-31-24
 | | HeMateMe: Is this the Pelican variation? |
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Oct-31-24
 | | saffuna: A lot of the best puns are the ones that seem so obvious afterward. The ones where you say, Why didn't I think of that? |
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Oct-31-24
 | | Check It Out: It's a good pun. And the Halloween connection is the "pop-up" 11...g6. Like a pop-up, also called a "jump scare", in a horror movie, that move is sure to make you leap out of your seat. |
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Oct-31-24
 | | saffuna: <And the Halloween connection is the "pop-up" 11...g6. Like a pop-up, also called a "jump scare", in a horror movie, that move is sure to make you leap out of your seat.> Yes. 11...g6 is like the viewer shouting "Don't open that door!" at a horror movie. |
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