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| Dec-13-08 | | Bautismo: According to wikipedia, this is one of the earliest examples of zwischenzug (10.Qh4)ever recorded... |
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| Jan-07-09 | | notyetagm: <nimh: Rybka 2.3.1 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33. Lichtenhein 3 mistakes:
13.Qc4 -2.25 (13.g3 -0.76)
14.g3 -4.22 (14.0-0 -2.29)
15.fxe3 #7 (15.0-0 -2.45)
Morphy 1 mistake:
14...Qd8 -2.45 (14...Qh6 -4.22)>
Could someone please update this analysis for <RYBKA 3>? Thanks
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| Jan-07-09 | | notyetagm: T Lichtenhein vs Morphy, 1857 <Bautismo: According to wikipedia, this is one of the earliest examples of zwischenzug (10.Qh4) ever recorded...> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwisch...
10 ... ?
click for larger viewAnd what a great <ZWISCHENZUG> that is, 10 ... ♕d8-h4!. 10 ... ♕d8-h4! not 10 ... d5x♗e4?!
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| Jan-07-09 | | nimh: <notyetagm>
Here is a quick blunder check, 30s per move, threshold 0.15 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. e5 d5 6. Bb5 Ne4 7. Nxd4 Bd7
last book move 0.11/13 8. Nxc6 $11 -0.22/15
(♖ybka 3 32-bit: 8. Bxc6 bxc6 9. O-O Bc5 10. f3 Ng5 11. f4 Ne4 12. Qd3 Bb6 13. Nc3 Nxc3 14. Qxc3 c5 15. Nf3 $11 0.11/13)
8... bxc6 -0.42/13 9. Bd3 -0.41/13 Bc5 $11 -0.05/15 (♖ybka 3 32-bit: 9... Qe7 10. Qe2 f5 11. exf6 Nxf6 12. Be3 c5 13. b3 Qe6 14.
O-O Bd6 15. h3 O-O $15 -0.41/13) 10. Bxe4 -0.20/14 Qh4 -0.09/14 11. Qe2
$15 -0.28/15
(♖ybka 3 32-bit: 11. O-O Qxe4 12. Re1 Qf5 13. Be3 Bxe3 14.
Rxe3 Rb8 15. Na3 Qf4 16. Rf3 Qe4 17. Qd2 O-O 18. Re1 $11 -0.09/14) 11... dxe4
$11 0.05/14
(♖ybka 3 32-bit: 11... Qxe4 12. Qxe4 dxe4 13. Nc3 Bf5 14. Be3
Bxe3 15. fxe3 Ke7 16. O-O Ke6 $15 -0.28/15) 12. Be3 $17 -0.86/15 (♖ybka 3 32-bit: 12. O-O Bd4 13. c3 Bxe5 14. f4 Bd6 15. Qxe4+ Kf8 16. Nd2 Re8 17. Qd3
Qe7 18. Nc4 Bc5+ 19. Kh1 $11 0.05/14) 12... Bg4 -0.78/14 13. Qc4 $19 -1.
74/14
(♖ybka 3 32-bit: 13. g3 Qh5 14. Qc4 Rd8 15. Nd2 Bxe3 16. fxe3 O-O 17.
Qxe4 Rfe8 18. h3 Bxh3 19. Rc1 Qg4 20. Qxg4 Bxg4 21. Nc4 c5 $17 -0.78/14)
13... Bxe3 -1.49/13 14. g3 $2 $19 -3.62/14
(♖ybka 3 32-bit: 14. O-O Bb6
15. Qxc6+ Ke7 16. Qxe4 Rhd8 17. Nc3 Qh5 18. Nd5+ Kf8 19. Nxb6 cxb6 20. Rac1 Bf5
21. Qe3 Kg8 22. f3 Rac8 $19 -1.49/13) 14... Qd8 $2 $19 -1.62/15 (♖ybka 3 32-bit: 14... Qh6 15. Qxe4 Bc1 16. Qxg4 Bxb2 17. O-O Bxa1 18. Na3 Bc3 19. Qc4
Ba5 20. Nb5 Qe6 21. Qa4 Qxe5 22. Nd4 O-O $19 -3.62/14) 15. fxe3 $4 -#12/5 (♖ybka 3 32-bit: 15. O-O Bd4 16. c3 Bb6 17. Qxc6+ Bd7 18. Qxe4 O-O 19. a4 Bh3
20. Re1 Qd7 21. a5 Bc5 22. b4 Be7 23. Ra2 Bf5 24. Qf4 Qe6 25. Rd2 h6 $19 -1.
62/15) 15... Qd1+ -#6/7 16. Kf2 -#15/6 Qf3+ -#3/8 17. Kg1 -#10/4 Bh3
-#4/3 18. Qxc6+ -#9/3 Kf8 -#4/3 19. Qxa8+ -#8/3 Ke7 -#3/3 0-1 |
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Jun-01-10
 | | Richard Taylor: A rather amusing and naive game! |
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| Jun-01-10 | | kevin86: White can finish his last meal but will be executed... |
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Jun-01-10
 | | chrisowen: Morphy in a huff sinks Lichtenhein a kindred spirit. That bottling the knight 8.Nxc6 chucks up the pawn black grip the edges. I'd have constituted monarch to castle main first priority or Bxc6 the principal. It yearns shucks for an early bath once there's his played 12th. White makes a meal out of it. Looking stale and cold Qc4 teaches him a lesson. Theodore is unhinged in reply would he only castle. Ave time again for 19..Ke7 watch out attacking keepsake Morphy's about and victor storm off. |
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| Jun-01-10 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: I agree with Richard Taylor. I don't know if it is just me, but I find all those "Morphy games" boring. Analyzing them to death seems such a sterile exercise. As Taylor says, there's always a "naive" opponent who seems to play enough idiotic moves to make Morphy appear brilliant at the moment of estocada. The puzzle game was far more interesting. Did Morphy enjoy playing those games? Probably not, because he grew tired of these "naive" opponents and preferred to drop out. He must have felt he was playing against grown children. |
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| Jun-01-10 | | Atking: It's not Morphy's fault if these opponents are weak. The fact is he tried to meet stronger opposition and still produced some gems. At the end he even tried hypermodern moves like 1.b3 or 1.f4 to explore others fields than its contemporary romantic approach. |
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| Jun-02-10 | | kjr63: It is easy to call Morphy's opponents weak, when one understands "development" and they did not. |
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| Nov-26-10 | | lionel15: When looking at Morphy's games one must remember the chess knowledge about at the time. He was undoubtably the best of his era. |
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| Mar-30-11 | | SeanBurdine: I'm not a great player by any means but even I can tell that Lichtenhein made a horrendous mistake by not castling when he had a chance. It may not have affected the outcome but it would surely have enabled him to put up greater resistance. |
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| Jun-21-11 | | Llawdogg: Zwischenzug! Morphy invents the in between move. |
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Jul-20-13
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Hello:
http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera... (My web page on this fantastic game of chess - just greatly updated it.) http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera... (My own js-replay page.) I am about to do a video on this game ... it should be done later on this afternoon. |
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Jul-21-13
| | LIFE Master AJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI_Z...
My (new) video on this game ... |
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Mar-06-14
| | LIFE Master AJ: InfinityCurve left the following comment for me on Google: << "Nice work :) I'm an Expert (barely), trying to make it to 2200 & have decided to go over the games of the classical players, starting with Morphy. Thanks for the vid!" <<<>>> >> Paul T. (from Ohio) also liked this video and sent me an e-mail thanking me for my work. |
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| May-21-14 | | ljfyffe: John Cherriman - G. Palmer 1854 Toronto: 1e4 e5 2d4 exd4 3Nf3 Nc6 4Bc4 Bc5 5Ng5 Nh6 6Nxf7 Nxf7 7Bxf7+ Kxf7 8Qh5+ g6 9Qxc5 d6 10Qc4+ Kg7 110-0 Rf8 12c3 Qf6 13f4 a6 14Kh1 Be6 15Qe2 Rae8 16Nd2 Qh4 17Nf3 Qg4 18Bd2 Kg8 19Rfe1 Bd5 20h3 Qh5 21Qf2 Rxe4 22cxd4 Nxd4 23Nxd4 Rxd4 24Kg1 c5 25 Re7 Qf5 26Bc3 Qf6 27Rae1 Qxf4 28Bxd4 Qh6 29Qe3 1-0 |
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| Jul-29-19 | | gambitfan: 1) -2.90 (23 ply) 14.♕xc6+ ♔e7 15.O-O ♗b6 16.♘c3 ♗e6 17.♖ae1 ♖ad8 18.♘a4 e3 19.♘xb6 exf2+ 20.♖xf2 cxb6 21.♖ef1 ♕d4 22.♕f3 ♔f8 23.♕a3+ ♔g8 24.c3 ♕c5 25.♕xc5 bxc5 26.♖f4 ♔f8 27.♖1f2 ♖d1+ 28.♖f1 ♖xf1+ 29.♖xf1 |
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| Jul-29-19 | | gambitfan: 1) -1.04 (24 ply) 13.g3 ♕h5 14.♕c4 ♖d8 15.♘d2 ♗xe3 16.fxe3 O-O 17.♕xe4 ♕h3 18.♕xc6 f6 19.♘e4 ♕h6 20.O-O ♕xe3+ 21.♘f2 ♗e2 22.♖fe1 fxe5 23.♕c4+ ♗xc4 24.♖xe3 ♖d2 25.♘g4 ♗e6 26.♘xe5 ♗d5 27.c4 ♖g2+ 28.♔h1 ♗b7 29.♘d3 ♖d2+ 30.♔g1 instead of 13. Qc4 ? |
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| Aug-18-19 | | Theystolemymoney: Roo I just love how you insult and compliment morphy at the same time without saying anything. I wonder if adults nowadays think trolling chess forums is an adequate use of time. I think it all depends on annotations, if I had looked at morphy games earlier with proper annotations I might have been a much stronger player. Morphy teaches you the essence of chess, how reason could even if that would occure beat superior intelligence. It's such a beauty. Really what have I missed looking at chess the wrong way. But most authors and even gms do a poor job explaining chess and beauty remains hidden. I Only get bored of poor teachers and bad annotations. Morphy games are a delight to study |
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| Jan-10-21 | | paulmorphy1969: la partita corretta e'finita alla 18^mossa,cosi come descritta nel libro di Daniel W.Fiske The First American Chess Congress del 1859 edizioni Olms pg 223 link: https://play.google.com/books/reade...
Alcuni libri come ad esempio Maroczy nella traduzione in inglese riportano invertite la 3^ e 4^mossa e terminano alla 19^ mossa,commette lo stesso errore il il canale Youtube Historical Chess Videos sulla serie dedicata a Paul Morphy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQ...
Riportata correttamente nel libro di Macon Shibut |
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| Jan-10-21 | | paulmorphy1969: the correct game is finished at the 18th move, as described in the book by Daniel W. Fiske The First American Chess Congress of 1859 Olms editions pg 223 link: https://play.google.com/books/reade... DfAKyaxSWSwC & hl = it & pg = GBS.PA223
Some books such as Maroczy in the English translation show the 3rd and 4th move reversed and end at the 19th move, the Youtube Historical Chess Videos channel on the series dedicated to Paul Morphy makes the same mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQ...
Correctly reported in Macon Shibut's book |
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| Apr-20-23 | | Gaito: Some sources give the game conclusion as 19.Qxa8+ Ke7, and White resigned. For example, the book "Morphy" by Dr. Slavko Petrovic, Zagreb, 1971, a book that contains 100 annotated games by Paul Morphy |
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| Apr-20-23 | | Gaito: 
click for larger viewWHITE TO PLAY
Is this already a losing position for White? Black has the two bishops and is well ahead in development, furthermore Morphy was Morphy, so I would wager that Morphy could win this position against Theodore Lichtenhein (or any other player of Lichtenhein's strength) nine times out of ten. The engine, however, says the game is about equal, and the following continuation is suggested: 12.O-O Bd4 13.Nd2 O-O 14.Nc4 Rae8 15.c3 Bxe5 16.Nxe5 Rxe5 17.Qe3 (=), see diagram below:
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| Apr-20-23 | | Gaito: In the book that I mentioned in my other comment ("Morphy" by Dr. Slavko Petrovic, Zagreb, 1971,) the opening moves are given as 1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sc6 (S stands for knight) 3.d4 ed4 4.Lc4 Sf6 (L stands for bishop). That is a different move order. Which move order was the correct one? |
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