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Daniele Lapiccirella vs Renzo Mantovani
Bratto Open (2001), Bratto ITA, rd 1, Aug-22
Benoni Defense: Modern Variation (A56)  ·  0-1

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Nov-02-05  Open Defence: my parents used to listen to a composer called Mantovani for erm ..."Mood" music
Nov-02-05  jackpawn: I saw the whole combination, but kept thinking I was missing something because I didn't see anything but a draw after Kh1.

I have to get out of this mindset of always assuming a win for these puzzles.

Nov-02-05  dakgootje: < theo2005: This puzzle is mooked. After white plays 51.K-h1 white has the advantage still.

Black delays defeat for awhile.
Really awful puzzle since blak does not win or even gain advantage.>

Well, then id like to see how white could ever win...Black does have advantage with the sac, he came out of a bad position in a position which is clearly drawn (0.00 according to Fritz 8) and well Fritz isnt maybe always totally right with everything but i think he would see the differance between a drawn position or a position where <Black delays defeat for a while.>...

Nov-02-05  snowie1: <Open Defense> No No, it's the other Montovani, Ricardo. Remember; Dee Pleen! Dee Pleen!
Nov-02-05  chesscrazy: Obviously after 59.Kg3 60.Qxg5+ followed by 61.Qxe7.
Nov-02-05
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  OhioChessFan: <And last time I play this childish "first" game.>

It's always the last time on my screen for anyone who plays it. Click.

Nov-02-05  makaveli52: if Kh1 its a draw by Qf3+, which is what i dont like about the puzzle, but w/e, Fritz agrees with me...
Nov-02-05  netlava: I saw the Kh3 combination but what happens if the guy played Kh1?
Nov-02-05  pawntificator: I'm with Sneaky on this one. I wonder if there is a better move for black than 49...Rh2. I can't find one myself...everything leads to a draw.

I just read 3 pages of kibitzing. I cannot believe the redundancy in the posts! Doesn't anybody read what has been said? I guess most people just want to say something. Who cares if it's been said thrice?

<OhioChessFan>, that's pretty harsh. I wonder if I will get put on ignore for this:

Last!

Nov-02-05  LIFE Master AJ: <all>
# 1.) I looked at ...Rh2+; but eventually disgarded it. I never did work out the forced win. (I did not set it up - just worked from the diagram.)

# 2.) I never found this game in the CB database - so I could analyze it.

But it was a good mental workout, I am sure there is something I am missing here ... but that is the way it goes.

Nov-02-05  Bishops r power: Move #52:Qxd6. White player is the greatest disgrace for this wonderful game
Nov-02-05  LIFE Master AJ: Am I missing something? 52.QxP/d6+, (forcing mate next move); would be a great move ... if it were only legal!
Nov-02-05  hayton3: <Am I missing something?> Not something kibitzers at chessgames.com would be qualified to adequately diagnose I'm afraid.
Nov-02-05  Dudley: This puzzle seems to have revealed a massive amount of cluelessness, even from those who should know better. Common sense is always the most rare quality.
Nov-02-05  hayton3: <LIFE Master AJ:# 2.) I never found this game in the CB database - so I could analyze it.> What are the chances he's entered the moves manually and set Fritz running overnight in search of mate [common sense?!] Maybe ???
Nov-03-05  Dudley: 10 to one you have a winner!
Nov-03-05  hayton3: It's a worry for the credibility of the Life Master Title that you even dare offer those odds :-)
Nov-03-05
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  chancho: He problably has his beloved Fritz next to a lamp with a note pad and pencil ready to scribble his new "discovery".
Nov-03-05  you vs yourself: Come on guys. Accusing AJ of plagiarizing in this situation is tantamount to him accusing Nakumara of cheating. In both cases, no proof! Although it's fun and irresistable, let's cut it out before the administrators jump in with their trademark lectures.
Nov-03-05
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  chancho: Yeah, let's cool it.lol
Nov-03-05  Averageguy: <LMAJ><(I did not set it up - just worked from the diagram.)> Er, I think that is what everyone does. Well I always work it out from the diagram, am I perhaps a little naive?
Nov-03-05  LIFE Master AJ: As a post-script to my earlier posts, I did (eventually) find the game in the CB database ... maybe I was tired, and/or did not spell of the players' names correctly.

I also read the earlier posts ... apparently ...Rh2+; should have been nothing more than a drawing continuation ... without usuing Fritz as the final authority, I will just assume that Kh3?? was a blunder.

Nov-03-05  LIFE Master AJ: As a post-script to my earlier posts, I did (eventually) find the game in the CB database ... maybe I was tired, and/or did not spell of the players' names correctly.

I also read the earlier posts ... apparently ...Rh2+; should have been nothing more than a drawing continuation ... without usuing Fritz as the final authority, I will just assume that Kh3?? was a blunder.

Nov-03-05  hayton3: Life Master AJ in stereo
Nov-08-05  LIFE Master AJ: <Dudley>
"This puzzle seems to have revealed a massive amount of cluelessness, ..."

Did I seem that lost to you?

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