| Dec-21-04 | | enigmaticcam: Black would have been better with 6...e6 followed by 7...Be7 or 7...Bb4 to make room for castle. |
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| Dec-21-04 | | Leviathan: I happened to play this kind of trap dozens of times against beginners. The game usually goes like this: 1.e4 Nc6 (apparently the most natural move among beginners) 2.d4 d6 (seemingly, he is too scared to push the pawn to his 4th rank) 3.Nf3 Bg5 (here he usually smiles, thinking that I am obviously going to get a doubled f-pawn) 4.e5 Ne5 (after a short moment of surprise, he moves the knight. after all, he remembers to have read somewhere that a doubled pawn is a "permanent weakness", therefore now he feels more confident.) 5.Nxe5 (I usually play this while looking at him: his face in this moment is one of the funniest things that the world can produce) 5. .. Bxd1 (secretly hoping that in fact I made a horrible mistake somewhere) 6.Bb5+ (now he plays c6, but takes it back immediatly. He still thinks for a few seconds, then plays c6 and takes it back again. Then he usually resigns with a smile - but be careful: time ago, in a similar situation my opponent jumped on the table and shouted "why must I lose to this idiot?" ;) |
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| Dec-21-04 | | enigmaticcam: <Leviathan> I'm not sure what you mean. 4. e5 Ne5? Do you mean Nxe5? |
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| Dec-22-04 | | Leviathan: i meant 4.d5 sorry ;) |
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| Dec-22-04 | | enigmaticcam: heh. That leads to quite an interesting game, assuming black plays the best moves from there. He can actually come out just without any loss of material by (with the help of a small chess program) 6...c6 7. dxc6 Qa5+ 8. Nc3 a6 9. b4 axb5 10. bxa5 bxc6 11. Nxc6 Bxc2 with a very awkward position for both sides. |
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| Dec-23-04 | | Leviathan: Sorry but I don't think that this position leads to <a very awkward position for both sides>. In your line, Black loses immediatly after 9.cxb7+ (btw what program are you using?) |
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| Dec-25-04 | | Assassinater: < In your line, Black loses immediatly after 9.cxb7+> Um... How about 9... axb5 10. bxa8=Q+ Qxa8 11. Nxf7 Kxf7 12. Kxd1? Black has a Queen for a Rook, but is down 2 pawns. I highly doubt if those two pawns are worth it... |
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| Dec-28-04 | | enigmaticcam: Assissinater answered that question for me. It's just a small chess program. I think it came with the Microsoft Entertainment Pack a number of years ago. It's the only thing I have on my work machine and was the only thing available at the moment. It beats me most of the time, but on rare occasions I can beat it. I'll use it sometimes for a quick tactical analysis. But I do have Chessmaster 10th Edition at home. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Averageguy: What a rotten game! |
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| Feb-07-06 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: This very similar to a Legal's Mate. |
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| Jul-15-06 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: Here's a game similar to Leviathan's line:Keene vs E Fielder, 1964 |
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| Jul-15-06 | | Timothy Glenn Forney: Here's a lose in that line:Matthias Duppel vs R Schlindwein, 1999 |
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| Jul-16-06 | | mig55: Its 3.-/Bg4? |
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Sep-19-07
 | | Sneaky: I just played this exact game on ICC. All 1.d4 players need to know this variation, as well as the sister trap witnessed in D Genz vs D Boehmer, 1985. Moral of the story: If you play Marshall's Defense, insert an early ...e5 just like Marshall did! Or better yet, find a more sound defense ;-) |
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Mar-16-08
 | | FSR: 4.e4 is usually considered inferior, believe it or not. The main line is 4.Nf3(!) Bf5 5.Qb3. After 4.e4, Black should play 4...Nf6, then if 5.Nc3, 5...e5! as Marshall played. Then 6.dxe5 Qxd1+ regains the pawn after 7.Nxd1 Nex4 or 7.Kxd1 Ng4 threatening both the f2 and e5 pawns. |
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| May-08-09 | | Sem: Leviathan (Dec 21/04), your opponent must have studied Nimzovitch, who once uttered the same cry... |
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| Apr-12-12 | | whiteshark: Soon ripe, soon rotten. |
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| Aug-26-12 | | TheTamale: Isn't 9)... Qc7 a much better move for Black? |
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Kibitzing
sac: 8.Nxe5