|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| Jan-20-04 | | ughaibu: Right, not as easy as it looks. How about 18....Bf3 19.f3 Qf3 followed by Qd3? |
|
| Jan-21-04 | | Cyphelium: It looks like black is winning then, I think. I wanted to play 18.- Bf3 19. exd6+, when 19.- Rxd6 20. Qc7+ Rd7? 21. Qe5+ Kd8 22. Qb8+ is a draw, but black can play 20.- Kf6! 21. e5+ Kg5! and then he just wins: 22. gxf3+ Qxf3+ 23. Kh2 Rxd3.
The conclusion must be that that after 18. Bxd3, white is clearly losing after all. |
|
| May-07-04 | | Whitehat1963: Isn't there a better move than 16. Rd1? How about Re3 or Qc6+ right away? |
|
May-07-04
 | | Chessical: <Whitehat1963> I believe that Ujtumen was desperately trying to divert the B away from covering d7. His position has imploded at this point anyway. <16.Re3> simply loses the B without any compensation as the R lacks any squares. |
|
| May-07-04 | | GufeldStudent: What happens after f4 instead of h3, to stop the N from having e5. I thought that Qh4 might come, but then h3 looks good. Then Nf5 d3 with idea Nd2 Nf3 Bg5 seems interesting. Bxh3 ideas may crop in, but seem only good for perpetual, at best. I think this is a great game, but without e5 the N seems like wasted time. The only justication is getting the Q out, but I do not know if that is good enough reason to lose so much time. |
|
| May-07-04 | | GufeldStudent: Nevermind, f4 Qb6 is good. I suppose c3 is just a bad move. He should play d3 like a normal person. f4 weakens the king too much. |
|
May-07-04
| | Chessical: <GufeldStudent> After 9.f4 Qh4! <10.h3> the N does not have to retreat. If Black's white squared bishop recaptures, the White Q must move away from the Re1 which is threatened by the Black Q. So with the tempo he could consider: 9.f4 Qh4 10.h3 <b5>!? White's unprotected R is a real problem for him. |
|
| May-07-04 | | ughaibu: GufeldStudent: I've played this line several times and I find 10.d3 the toughest move to deal with. |
|
| Jun-11-04 | | GufeldStudent: Still, this game is a masterpiece, even if white's opening play is bad |
|
| Dec-08-04 | | Poisonpawns: What a game! I hope LifeMaster AJ gets a hold of this one, it would be fun to analyze! Another gem for the fan of the Birds Ruy lopez! |
|
| Jan-23-05 | | GreenDayGuy: White gets into so much trouble just because of that pawn on d3. None of his pieces get can out to stop the checkmate threat. |
|
| Jan-23-05 | | weirdoid: 15. Qxb7 looks like appalingly (desperately?) greedy considering how threatened White's K side is. Why not 15. Rd1? After, say, 15 ... Be2 sure it is no fun, but seems like there is still some fight. Or, is there an immediate destruction in this line which T. U. was trying desperately to avoid? |
|
| Jan-24-05 | | GreenDayGuy: <weirdoid> Maybe he just didn't want to be down material, or 15...Be2 was just too strong of a threat. |
|
| Jan-25-05 | | ughaibu: If the point of 15.Rd1 is to keep the rook covered by the queen it amounts to tying down the queen and as that's white's only active piece it doesn't look a very promising course. |
|
| Jan-26-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: White went wrong in the opening and black capitolized beautifully. 8.d3 would have treated white much better. Compare the difference in the following game where white plays 8.d3 and black responds similarly to this game with 8. …Ng5 intending 9. …Ne4 . By playing 8.d3 white gets in a much more effective f4 a few moves later. Vasilii Sava vs A Chirpii, 2001 |
|
| Jan-26-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: Heres a fun miniature from the mighty Bronstein where his opponent plays 10.d3 . Servat Roberto vs Bronstein, 1987 |
|
| Jun-05-08 | | Poisonpawns: Here Is A Powerful game played by the great Anatoly Lein in The Birds Defense of the Ruy lopez.Very Enjoyable. |
|
| Apr-24-12 | | Robeson: "Heres a fun miniature from the mighty Bronstein where his opponent plays 10.d3" Mighty is subjective. That game was played by the strong Luis Bronstein but not the mighty David Bronstein, which is what I think you assumed. |
|
| Apr-30-21 | | goodevans: <ughaibu: If the point of 15.Rd1 is to keep the rook covered by the queen it amounts to tying down the queen and as that's white's only active piece...> What if the point is to defend the R for just one move? After <15. Rd1> White is threatening to liquidate the troublesome d3 pawn with 16.Bxd3. If Black decides to prevent that with <15...Be2> then <16.Qxb7 Rd8 17.Qxc6+ Rd7 18.Qc8+ Ke7 19.exd6+> differs from the game because Black hasn't yet taken Bxd1. That gain of tempo by White means <19...Kf6> now loses rather than wins. <15. Rd1> looks like a very tough nut to crack. |
|
| Apr-30-21 | | goodevans: I don't believe it!
As I was composing my post some dunderhead has added SF annotations to the game. I guess that’s the end of any further discussion involving carbon-based analysis. Why would anyone want to do that to us?!?!? |
|
Apr-30-21
 | | OhioChessFan: Funny pun. I note the stars are aligned in his profile pic: Anatoly Lein |
|
| Apr-30-21 | | Nosnibor: Interesting game and excellent pun. |
|
Apr-30-21
 | | FSR: His surname is pronounced like "Lane," not "Line." |
|
Apr-30-21
| | FSR: Cool game. Who knew Bird's Defense to the Ruy Lopez was so deadly? See also R Ris vs K Leenhouts, 2003 ; Anderssen vs M Lange, 1859 ;
S Boden vs Bird, 1873 ; Reti vs Spielmann, 1913. |
|
Apr-30-21
| | FSR: And let's not forget H Taskinen vs A Werle, 1972 and Smit vs G Welling, 1978. |
|
 |
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
sac: 12...h5