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| Jun-13-12 | | abuzic: <drleper> Yes, but black plays after 38.Qd3 Bh2+ 39.Kg2 Bd6 (not 39...c4 as in the game) and white cannot sac the Q on f5, 40.Qf5? Nxf5 41.Re8+ Bf8, the black B can cover Re8+ with the B. While after 38.Qf5 Bh2+ 39.Kg2 and black has to accept the sac, otherwise he is mated; thus 39...Nxf5 40.Re8+ Kh7 41.gxf5;
This is the position after 38.Qf5 etc upto 40.Re8+ variation:
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And this is the position after 40.Qf5 etc upto 41.Re8+ varition played in the actual game
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Jun-13-12
 | | HeMateMe: Pun means...? |
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Jun-13-12
 | | sleepyirv: <HeMateMe> It's a play on the internet expression, "nom nom nom" which means joyfully eating (think the Cookie Monster). |
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Jun-13-12
 | | ZZpatzer: Pun is a play on Levin's name, Naum.
see this : http://www.urbandictionary.com/defi... |
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Jun-13-12
 | | kevin86: White will mate soonest:40...♔h7 41 gxf5 and mates at h8 |
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| Jun-13-12 | | andrewjsacks: Naum is the brother of No Name. |
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| Jun-13-12 | | gars: <HeMateMe>: in Portuguese it means "No, no, no", although it is written "não, não, não". I own several books about Tal and this game doesn't appear in any of them, neither this tournament in Poti. I found in the Internet that this was a Georgian Championship, which reminds me that Kotov once wrote that Tal was living in Georgia in the early seventies, because the climate was milder than in Riga or in Moscow, although the same Kotov states that there were rumors Tal was dating some Georgian girl. "Cherchez la femme!" |
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| Jun-13-12 | | Chessmensch: Maybe Levin had to go poti. |
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| Jun-13-12 | | ponderousdog8: Black should have played B-g7 on move 32 and tried to activate his knights. By playing 32....Bg5 he surrendred the important diagonal to white bishop. He could have fought on. After all he is piece up though exchange down. |
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| Jun-13-12 | | lemaire90: Weird... ? Black saw that letting the white rook in his back rank was deadly when he didn't capture the white queen on move 35... did he forget that detail by move 40 ? |
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| Jun-13-12 | | Tiggler: <abuzic: <drleper> Yes, but black plays after 38.Qd3 Bh2+ 39.Kg2 Bd6 (not 39...c4 as in the game) and white cannot sac the Q on f5, 40.Qf5? Nxf5 41.Re8+ Bf8, the black B can cover Re8+ with the B.> 38... Bh2+?? loses, but if in the game W had played 38.Qf5 then Ng6 holds. Black is still a piece up, so that is why Tal played 38.Qd3 . He has to await the winning chance. |
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| Jun-13-12 | | lzromeu: yes <abuzic> I saw too.
The checkmate would be 2 rounds earlier than the actual game |
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| Jun-13-12 | | Tiggler: <lemaire90: Weird... ? Black saw that letting the white rook in his back rank was deadly when he didn't capture the white queen on move 35... did he forget that detail by move 40 ?> The difference is that by move 40 he cannot find a saving way to decline the sacrifice. He must have forgotten it when he played 39... c4? instead of B back to f4. Then he can play 40... Ng6, 41 Re8+ Nf8 |
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| Jun-13-12 | | Tiggler: <lzromeu: yes <abuzic> I saw too. The checkmate would be 2 rounds earlier than the actual game> There was no checkmate after 38. Qf5? Ng6, 39.Re8+ Nf8 |
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| Jun-13-12 | | pv002: I am new here. I was wondering what will happen if black king moves to h7? Thanks. |
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Jun-13-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <pv002> In the final position, if Black plays <41...Kh7>, White will reply <42.gxf5>, producing this position:
click for larger viewThe Black king is trapped, and White threatens to play 43.Rh8#. The only way that Black can stop this mate is to play <42...Rd8>. White reply is <43.Rxd8>, and Black has no way to stop mate than <43...Qxd8 44.Bxd8>, producing this position>: 
click for larger viewAnd White should win easily with a rook ahead.
All of this is explained in the earlier comments, but it can be confusing to go through all of them. Please feel free to ask. |
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| Jun-13-12 | | TheTamale: All right, I'm going to kick myself for asking this (because I'm sure it's so obvious), but 41) ...Kh7 and then what?? |
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| Jun-13-12 | | coolchess1: Tal, the master of sacrifices. Loved sacs in chess, and in life too loved to sac health for wine, women and fun. Legend. RIP, magician of Riga. |
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| Jun-13-12 | | WhiteRook48: <TheTamale> 41...Kh7 42 gxf5  |
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Jun-14-12
 | | maxi: Tal's ability is bewildering. |
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Jun-14-12
| | maxi: <TheTamale> 41...Kh7 42. gxf5 Rd8 43.RxR QxR 44.BxQ and White is one Rook up. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | abuzic: <Tiggler: <lzromeu: yes <abuzic> I saw too. The checkmate would be 2 rounds earlier than the actual game>
There was no checkmate after 38. Qf5? Ng6, 39.Re8+ Nf8> 38.Qf5! Ng6 39.Re8+ Nf8 40.Rxf8+ Kxf8 41.Qh7 now how can black prevent Qh8#, Bg7# or Qg7#? |
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| Jun-14-12 | | pv002: Phony Benoni: Thank you very much! |
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| Jun-14-12 | | lzromeu: <abuzic: <Tiggler: <lzromeu: yes <abuzic> I saw too. The checkmate would be 2 rounds earlier than the actual game> There was no checkmate after 38. Qf5? Ng6, 39.Re8+ Nf8> 38.Qf5! Ng6 39.Re8+ Nf8 40.Rxf8+ Kxf8 41.Qh7 now how can black prevent Qh8#, Bg7# or Qg7#?> Agree. Unless hard loss of material, the # are unpreventable |
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| Jun-16-12 | | TheTamale: D'oh, my question was answered right before I asked it! Doy. Can't seem to delete it, though, sigh... |
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