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| Mar-04-09 | | atahualpa yupanqui: according to chessmaster 11th 13:Nc4 (my cpu is suck so perhaps chessmaster 11th miss something can anyone analys the position after 13:NC4 with a better chess software such rybka or crafty...fritz? that's the analysis of chessmaster 11th
39:31 time) (23 depth) (position 599954829) score= -1,92
13...Ndxe5 14.Bxg5+ Kd7 15.Nxe5+
Nxe5 16.dxe5 Bb4+ 17.Kd1 Qg8 18.Qxg8
Rxg8 19.h4 b6 20.f4 Ba6 21.g4 Bc5
22.Rc1 Bd4 23.b3 Bd3 24.Rh3 Be4
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| Mar-06-09 | | alphavillee: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-bit:
13...Ndxe5 14.Nxe5 Nxe5 15.dxe5 Kd7 16.Bxg5 Bb4+ 17.Ke2 Qg8 18.Qxg8 Rxg8 19.f4 b6 20.Rhd1
 (-1.40) Depth: 23
(, 06.03.2009)
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| Mar-06-09 | | atahualpa yupanqui: thank you a lot alphavillee you was kind to analysis that for me so it was true in fact Tal blunder in the 13th move with Nc4.... |
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| Mar-06-09 | | Antonius Blok: Pure Tal!
He's just PLAYING chess, to not say he's just PLAYING. |
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| Oct-25-09 | | WhiteRook48: white doesn't even have to play here... black is creating his own weaknesses |
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| Feb-03-11 | | meppi: unsound schmunsound it worked didn't it?
Why debate over the move 9. Ng5 or 13. Nc4? It's a gamble with a good return for investment. Both moves do not allow a quick checkmate or strong attack by black towards white. With correct defensive play white will go down a piece but that isn't such a bad thing to risk, when the goal of the game is to checkmate. |
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| Dec-06-15 | | andrewjsacks: Do not like this pun. |
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Dec-06-15
 | | HeMateMe: I don't think it's a pun. 'Word play'? |
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| Dec-06-15 | | morfishine: <HeMateMe> On your comment: <I don't think it's a pun. 'Word play'?> In fact, its nothing at all, not even elementary rhyme; What it is, or what it signifies, is a perverse obsession with the three letters 'Tal' combined with an incessant proclivity to create something witty with those letters, and in this case, failing once again ***** |
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Dec-06-15
 | | Richard Taylor: This is probably a lightening game. Tal's 9. Ng5? is wrong as is his 13. Nc4?. But he is lost at that point. Black takes on e5 whatever White does. But Black cooperates with 13.... Bh6?? and loses immediately. Speculation - cheapo - by Tal. Black could defend easily but it is sometimes easier to attack than defend and Tal took a cheeky risk and it paid off. |
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| Dec-06-15 | | cunctatorg: It's not a "cheapo" by Tal; if there was a game Tal-Korchnoi, 9. Ng5 would be a horrible error, if it is Tal-Salnikov, 9. Ng5 comes as a nasty experiment... |
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Dec-06-15
| | HeMateMe: this game looks like a Kasparov v. the Jupiter florida junior high school team. "Optional Extra: Garry makes 15 minutes speech and takes Q&A for 15 minutes There are two fees – one without speech and one with speech." That's part of an advertisement for a Kasparov simul, somewhere--how hard up for a dollar can you be? |
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| Dec-06-15 | | catlover: <Richard Taylor: But Black cooperates with 13.... Bh6?? and loses immediately.> Exactly. Maybe Black should have given back some material, something like: 13... Ndxe5 14. Bxg5+ Kd7 15. Nxe5+ Nxe5 16. dxe5 Bb4+. |
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| Dec-06-15 | | mruknowwho: Very impressive. I thought Tal was going to exchange two minor pieces for a rook and pawn. Nope. 16. Qxg6+! |
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| Dec-06-15 | | TheTamale: I love Tal. Black plays 13)... Bh6, but you know Tal's gonna take the pawn anyway. |
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| Dec-06-15 | | Ferro: Señor Profesor |
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Dec-06-15
| | Richard Taylor: <catlover> well, as for Tal, he was world Champion about the time I started Chess, and played some great games. But the return match showed Botvinnik also playing some very strong attacking and counterattacking games. This game is not typical of Tal. He normally plays from full development and rarely played gambits. He like the Ruy Lopez and so on. He liked to be ready if he was to attack. Here he either overlooked or ignored Black's counter-sac on the e5 pawn which is a typical idea even if Black isn't under attack. I nearly lost an online standard time "correspondence" game when someone as Black sacrificed on my e5 pawn and gained a strong pawn centre for the piece. Let's call a spade a spade and pass over this trivial game in silence. Komodo confirms that Tal was basically in a bad way after the non-book Ng5? |
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| Dec-06-15 | | garuffa: I've read all the posts. So IMJP was right, after all. But 13.Nc4 was not a blunder. The blunder was made before. |
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| Dec-07-15 | | Ferro: Señor Comodoro... |
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| Dec-07-15 | | kevin86: Tal gives up two pieces and mates with queen and knight. |
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| Dec-07-15 | | Ferro: Entonces quitar señor Profesor |
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| Nov-09-20 | | MordimerChess: Just for your information, the move 9. Ng5? is the second move choice of strong players (GMs and IMs) even nowadays. In 21st century we still have 16 games in the database, mostly won by white (9 wins) because their opponents scare to take that knight! We even have one game with 13. Ne4 which ended exactly the same way with 16. Nd6# however it was played against lower-ranked rival (nearly 2300). Still an interesting and double-edged idea, especially for a shorter time control. This analysis is my little tribute to the legend. Happy Birthday, Misha! https://youtu.be/4cPoDjjw5qc
Enjoy, learn! ❤️❤️ |
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Sep-05-21
 | | kingscrusher: Beautiful but flawed because of blacks "only move" 13...Ndxe5 - which does quite a bit - vacates d7 for king and hits the Queen on g6. A good multipurpose move to save Black. |
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Sep-05-21
 | | Sally Simpson: Yes Beautiful with many attacking (and defending) ideas to be studied and stored. Flawed. Yes but every win has a losing flaw somewhere. you cannot win without one. The only difference is the gravity and timing of the blunder. (last to blunder losses.) Chess players forgive the flawed Tal brilliancies. Personally I love the dodgy moves, if they were good enough to bamboozle his opponents, then they are good enough for me. I've never sought perfection when playing over a game, just entertainment, ideas, a touch of class and the nerve to go for it. A game with the same line where Black sacced back on e5, an idea which must be in every French players armoury. Black wrapped it up with a touch of Tal. Rohilla Shivika vs Saloni Sapale, 2019 |
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Sep-06-21
| | kingscrusher: <Sally Simpson> I feel inclined to highlight that I love your attitude to chess, and comments here on this site. Most of my online chess is often unsound but fun, and a lot of my club OTB too when that was running. Regarding forgiving Tal - probably his more "unsound" periods are related to Kidney problems and health issues. According to Wiki:
"Poor health caused a slump in his play from late 1968 to late 1969, but he recovered his form after having a kidney removed." In fact, if you check from 1969 onwards, he does have a forward escalation in the rating lists from 1970-1980 - with two very notable unbeaten streaks: "From July 1972 to April 1973, Tal played a record 86 consecutive games without a loss (47 wins and 39 draws). Between 23 October 1973 and 16 October 1974, he played 95 consecutive games without a loss (46 wins and 49 draws)," In 1973, he ranks #3 in world:
https://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/Elo19...
1975 - #5
https://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/Elo19...
1980 = Rank 2 in world at 2705
https://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/Elo19...
Overall I find Tal to be very sound in his sacrifices. I think it is good to know the "truth" of games, because for example if you are playing pretty serious 1-day chess then you want to know if a game has a technical issue. For more casual chess, you can even choose to play unsoundly - as I often do. Cheers, K |
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sac: 9.Ng5