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| Jun-26-05 | | patzer2: White wins and solves the Sunday puzzle with the demolition of pawn structure move 29...Nxf2! |
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| Jun-26-05 | | Jatayu: 31.Qxf2 would have been better. In that he would have traded his queen and a pawn for a rook and knight. Not great, but better than the alternative. Hindsight.......... |
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| Jun-26-05 | | patzer2: If White plays 30. Kxf2, then Black wins with 30...Rf6+ 31. Kg2 Qf3+ 32. Kh2 Rxe3  . |
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| Jun-26-05 | | mymt: how does Black finish the game after say 33.Re1? [just curious] |
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| Jun-26-05 | | Kangaroo: <<mymt>: how does Black finish the game after say 33.Re1?> [just curious] Curiosity is good thing. How about
<33. Re1 Qf3+> - hope it will answer all the questions. |
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| Jun-26-05 | | zabbura2002: Black can always play 33. .. Qf3+ |
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| Jun-26-05 | | zabbura2002: oh.. answered already.. thanks <Kangaroo> |
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| Jun-26-05 | | mymt: its these new glasses |
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| Jun-26-05 | | Stavr0gln: what if white does 32 qd2 ? I dont see how black wins after that, though I am certain is it something simple. |
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Jun-26-05
 | | Sneaky: You must mean 31.Qd2, if so that's a good question, as is the variation with 31.Qe1. What I figured out is 31.Qd2/Qe2 Qf3+ 32.Kh2 Rxe3 and White is hurting. |
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| Jun-26-05 | | inad: Stavr0gln: Black will use the Rock on e8 to seal the deal. I agree that this one is easier than friday's and saturday's ones. |
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| Jun-26-05 | | be3292: <mymt> You mean they hold more booze than the old ones? |
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| Jun-26-05 | | black knight c6: Not sure whos line your asking in <Stavr0gln> , but ill show you the lines I think are winning:
against 30. ♔xf2:
30. ... ♖f6+
a) 31. ♔g1 ♕xh3
with moves like ♖f3 and ♖e4
coming.
b) 31. ♔g2 ♕f3+
with ♖xe3 and devastation.
30. ♕xf2:
30. ... ♖f6
and now:
a) 31. ♕g1 ♕e2+
as in the game-
32. ♔h1 ♖f2
with ♕f3+ leading to Checkmate
or ♕ for ♖;
b) 31. ♕e1 ♕f3+
32. ♔g1 or h2 ♖xe3
and white is lost.
c) 31. ♕d2 ♕f3+
i) 32. ♔g1 just leads to the
white pawns going with an
eventual equalization or
advantage for black.
ii) 32. ♔h2 ♖xe3
33. ♖c2 (only way to save the
queen from ♖e2+)
33. ... ♕xg3+
34. ♔h1 ♕xh3+
35. ♔g1 will lead to a checkmate;
35. ♕h2 ♖f1+
36. ♖xf1 ♕xf1+
37. ♕g1 and now not ♕ or ♖h3+
but 37. ... ♕f4! and im pretty sure
black will win in all lines.
I don't think theres any further anylysis but if anyone has any i'd love to see it and has anyone got any suggestions as to how might black have carried out his attack more successfully (if there is a way?)? The position say at move 22 looks so potent... |
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| Jun-26-05 | | erimiro1: White wasted time and a piece, by bringing his Knight to the usless square b6. Insted of 17. N-a4? and 19.N-b6? he had to take it to g3 via d2. On the pther hand Black did very well with his Knight, and 29.- N:f2! is a very well calculated combination (let me confess - I did'nt try to calculated all the variations. It was clear that the Oueen and the King would'nt survive alone against the Black Queen and Rook) |
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| Jun-26-05 | | aginis: does anyone see a winning line for black after 27.Bxf3 Qxf3+ 28.Kg1
white will attempt to defend with Rc2 then Qe2.
Also 22.Kh1 is difficult to understand white wastes a tempo in avoiding Nf3+ NxN BxN which occurs anyway. As well as 26.Qd2 or 26.BxB QxB+ 27.Kg1 followed by Qd2 allowing the rooks to protect along the 1st rank. <erimiro1> the knight moved to b6 in order to win the "a" pawn. black does have compensation in the form of a strong kingside attack but with exact defense white will dominate the queenside to create a passed pawn supported on two files by rooks. |
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| Jun-26-05 | | halcyonteam: hello kitty
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| Jun-26-05 | | mymt: <3292> I will have to remember to empty them before I look through the bottom. [plus the handles on the wrong side - must be for left hand people] |
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Jun-26-05
 | | Honza Cervenka: If 30. Kxf2 Rf6+ 31. Kg1, then 31...Qxh3 32. Rc2 Rf3 33. Rg2 Rexe3 34. Qd2 Rxg3 35. Rf1 Rxg2+ 36. Qxg2 Rg3 etc. |
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| Jun-26-05 | | Phoenix: This is the kind of game all Black QGD players dream of. The exchange variation is boring? No way! |
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| Jun-26-05 | | snowie: White is lost at this point. Rxe3 also
wins..since the Q is so shy. |
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| Jun-27-05 | | kevin86: Shy? How about hapless? |
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| Jun-29-05 | | nfazli: can somone tell what happens after 33.Rf1? |
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Jun-29-05
| | Sneaky: 33...Qf3+ 34.Qg2 Qxg2# |
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| Jun-29-05 | | nfazli: oops....thanks |
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Jun-30-05
| | Sneaky: Don't mention it--I did a doubletake when I first saw it, also. |
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