| Apr-22-09 | | beautifulwretch: At the end, if
26. ... Kg4
27. Qf3+ Kh4
28. Qh3#
If 26. ... Ke4
27. Qf3+ Kd4
28. Qe3#
So black must block.
26. ... Qf6
27. Qxf6 gxf6
28. Rxc6
and I don't think black can stop the a pawn from queening without losing the rook. I'm not even sure the black knight can be saved either. |
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| Apr-22-09 | | AniamL: Good pun today :) |
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| Apr-22-09 | | patzer2: Black's problem appears to begin with 15...Nxf2?! as 16. Qf3! seems to initiate a decisive refutation. Instead, 15...Nxd5 as in Savon vs J Nogueiras, 1982 or 15...Bd7 = seem more prudent. |
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| Apr-22-09 | | ilklink: Yeah, well if I were Black I'd instantly choose 15...Nxd5. I guess Morgan was too much "Shaked" by refusal of the repetition and an unexpected sac. The Sveshnikov is very poisonous for Black. Can anyone post some good games in this line, with 0-1 results? |
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| Apr-22-09 | | radu stancu: <ilklink>: I haven't looked at the quality of the moves for each of these games, but here are a few strong players losing on the white side of this: Judit Polgar vs Kramnik, 1998
Karjakin vs Y Yakovich, 2007
Naiditsch vs Carlsen, 2006
Short vs Topalov, 2005
Or how about an "Advanced chess" game?
Topalov vs Kasparov, 1998
And some games in which a good player can't get the full point with white: Karjakin vs Radjabov, 2008
Bacrot vs Eljanov, 2008
Anand vs Radjabov, 2008
Morozevich vs Shirov, 2008
Anand vs Radjabov, 2007
Ivanchuk vs Carlsen, 2007
With all these examples (and many more in the database) I think it's hard to dismiss this opening from black's point of view. |
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| Apr-22-09 | | patzer2: Though not a move played in the game, 20. Nc4! is a strong move with an amusing threat (e.g. 20. Nc4! Qxa8 21. Nxd6+ Kd8 22. Ba5#). |
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| Apr-22-09 | | kevin86: Mr. Morgan gets "dollared" from pillow to post. |
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| Apr-22-09 | | tivrfoa: He didn't play 15. ... Nxd5 because of 16. Qa4+ |
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| Apr-22-09 | | cheeseplayer: 15... Nxd5!!!??? i was dying to play that move myself. I can understand where black is going with Nxf2 if followed by 16. Kxf2 but Qf3! just finishes it. white could've played 17. Nc7+ and gets a rook back but with an oppurtinity for black to re-organize his defence. 17.Bb5+ breaks down the defence with good position.
nice game, good pun, good playing white. |
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| Apr-22-09 | | patzer2: <tivrfoa> <He didn't play 15. ... Nxd5 because of 16. Qa4+> See the game Savon vs J Nogueiras, 1982 which ended in a quick draw after 16...Bd7 17. Qxe4 Nf6 18. Qb7 Rb8 19. Qf3 =. |
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| Apr-23-09 | | WhiteRook48: Morgan was Shaked! |
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| Mar-31-24 | | thegoodanarchist: Not the best pun ever. Especially since the pronunciation is, I think, "shah-ked". |
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| Mar-31-24 | | mel gibson: I didn't know.
Stockfish 16 chooses a different ply:
16. Qb3
(16. Qb3 (1.Qb3 Nxd5 2.Qxd5 Bxa6 3.Kxf2 Qb6+ 4.Be3 Qb7 5.Bb5+ Ke7 6.Qxb7+ Bxb7 7.Rhc1 Ke6 8.Rc7 Bd5 9.Bd7+ Kf6
10.Kg1 Be6 11.Bc6 Ra6 12.Bb5 Ra8 13.Nc4 g5 14.a4 Rb8 ) +5.27/45 259) score for White +5.27 depth 45.
If I force SF to choose the game ply it's about the same strength: 16. Qf3 e4
(16. .. e4 (1. ... e4 2.Bb5+ Bd7 3.Qb3 Nxd5 4.Qxd5 Bxb5 5.Qxb5+ Qd7 6.Kxf2 d5 7.Qxd7+ Kxd7 8.Nb5 Rxa6 9.Rhd1 Be7
10.Be3 Rc8 11.Rxd5+ Ke6 12.Rh5 Rc2+ 13.Kg1 Kf6 14.Rg5 g6 ) -4.73/44 168) Score for Black -4.73 depth 44. |
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Mar-31-24
 | | chrisowen: Lid c track q gas its joggy its op we its huff v Qf3 gab abacus its black dip i c coffin abe its leeway its dub its chi do adrift its nip faith Qf3 buff. |
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| Mar-31-24 | | jffun1958: Good pun. :-) |
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| Mar-31-24 | | Messiah: Terrible pun. |
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| Mar-31-24 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Not much inspired: 16. Qa4+ Bd7 17. Bb5 Nxh1 18. O-O-O Qc8+ 19. Kb1 Bxb5 20. Qxb5+ Qd7 21. Nc7+ Kd8 22. Qxd7+ Kxd7 23. Nxa8... Maybe there are fails... it was a fast try.
However, I felt that in the game line, the sequence : 23. a7 Be7 24. Nc4 seems also winner. Nice easter everybody! |
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Mar-31-24
 | | saffuna: Without going into variations, this looks like an example of why it's a bad idea to attack with the king in the center and pieces undeveloped. Black plays Nxf2 with only that N and the other N developed. It invites disaster even if it gains a little material for a moment. |
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Mar-31-24
| | saffuna: Old pun.
T Shaked vs S Boring, 1991 |
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| Mar-31-24 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: <Mel Gibson> The king really don't agree with some SF moves, like <16. Qb3 Nxd5 17. Qxd5 Bxa6 18. Kxf2 Qb6+ 19. Be3 Qb7 20. Bb5+ Ke7> 21. Qxb7?! (in my oppinion, it alleviates B defense and gives the precious diiagonal h1-a8, so this cannot be a good move!). Speak seriously. My proposal is 21. Bc4!, with lines:
A) 22. Kg3 Bb7 23. Qxf7+ Kd8 24. Bg5+ Kc8 25. Be6+ Kb8 26. Qe8+ Ka7 27. Be3+ Ka6 28. Qa4# (just to show the line for mate).
B) Qxd5 22. Bxd5 Rb8 23. b3 and W seems better than on the other position, because c4 is now a point for Nc4 or Bc4 followed by Rhc1 and moving the a-b ♙ with less B interference. Also 10. Kg1? W has nothing better? If SF plays this way after seeing thousands of positions and moves, like our friend <Teyss>, I will help him to <throw away his Chess books!>. Delenda SF est! LOL. Could even be correct, but seems a weak move! Sorry. |
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| Mar-31-24 | | mel gibson: < King.Arthur.Brazil: <Mel Gibson> The king really don't agree with some SF moves> A computer can analyse billions of board positions - something a human can't do. But - that doesn't make the computer right
as humans are playing the actual game and must weigh up the odds with experience and intuition. |
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| Mar-31-24 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: <Mel Gibson> I understand your point of view... all I wanted to see is what line SF gives in case you forced 21. Bc4, which maybe a refutation of my proposal... . |
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Kibitzing
sac: 16.Qf3