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Anatoly Karpov vs Miguel A Quinteros
Buenos Aires (Clarin) (1980), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 13, Nov-03
Sicilian Defense: Closed Variation (B25)  ·  1-0

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Feb-19-05
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  WTHarvey: Fwiw, Zarkov gives a mate in 7 with 32.Bxe6+ Kf8 33.Rxh8+ Bxh8 34.Qxg6+ Bxe5 35.dxe5 Qg7 36.Rh8+ Ke7 37.Qxg7+ Kxe6 38.Nd4+ The Knight covers all the squares.
Mar-05-06
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  WTHarvey: Ouch ! Chess Assistant 8 gives 16....Qc7 instead of 16....Qe7 with an identical remaining 19 moves. 32.Bxe6+ mates for the CA8 position but not for this one.
Sep-20-06  russep: Which one of these games is correct one had the black queen on c7 and the other with it on e7?
Sep-20-06  russep: Which one of these games is correct one had the black queen on c7 and the other with it on e7?
Sep-21-06  TrueFiendish: Must be with Q on e7 else 28.Bxe6+.
Dec-05-08
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  Fusilli: <russep: Which one of these games is correct one had the black queen on c7 and the other with it on e7?>

Moreover, according to the Fritz 11 database this was 0-1. I was a kid following the tournament in Argentina and I seem to remember that Quinteros did beat Karpov (who had a lousy tournament, collecting only 50% of the points.) If you dig out the crosstable for this tournament from some websites, you'll see that it is recorded as a Quinteros win.

But obviously the final position here is absolutely won by white, and Karpov was never a guy to lose on time... Maybe Quinteros was white? I don't think so. He was not a 1.e4 guy and Karpov was a 1...e5 guy, not a Sicilian practitioner. Mystery.

Jul-23-09
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  chessgames.com: Our research indicates that Karpov lost to Quinteros in this tournament, but obviously White is winning in the final position. Therefore, perhaps the names are switched? Some more research is necessary to solve this riddle.
Jul-23-09  godfire: Typical of Karpov to try to avoid central conflict until his position is fortified and developed. He knows where to place pieces so they get the most effect.
Jul-23-09
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  Benzol: <chessgames.com> <Our research indicates that Karpov lost to Quinteros in this tournament, but obviously White is winning in the final position. Therefore, perhaps the names are switched? Some more research is necessary to solve this riddle.>

<chessgames>

I've tried to do a bit of research about this game and found out the following:

1.This game doesn't feature in Karpov's book "Learn From Your Defeats". He apparently only lost games to Timman and Olafsson in this tournament.

2.The game is featured in "Anatoly Karpov - My 300 Best Games". It is game 94 in that book. Furthermore Black's 16th move is 16...Qc7 not e7 as given here.

Hope this helps to solve things rather than muddy the waters further.

Jul-23-09
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  Fusilli: I was a kid in Argentina at the time and I believe Quinteros beat Karpov in that tournament. As you guys saw, that is the result that appears in other sources. ...And if you let me be a little bold, I seem to even remember that Q was black. But it is true that this game is undoubtedly a Karpov win. And as reported by Benzol, Karpov was indeed white.

One possibility is that there were two Karpov-Quinteros games in 1980, and that for some reason the Karpov win ended up overwriting Quinteros' win (and creating the duplicate game). <Benzol> Does Karpov say in his 300 best games book what tournament the game is from? My theory is that Quinteros beat Karpov at Magistral Clarin, Buenos Aires 1980.

BTW, I plan to visit Buenos Aires in September or October, and I plan to swing by the archives of Clarin (it's a newspaper that sponsored that and other tournaments) and check this out, among other things I am interested in.

Jul-23-09
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  Benzol: <Fusilli> All the 300 Best Games says is that the game was played at Buenos Aires 1980. It's certainly possible that they played more than just one game, maybe there was another tournament they both played in. I hope your planned visit will prove fruitful in resolving the mystery here.

Here are the two games Karpov gives in Learn From Your Defeats :

Karpov vs Timman, 1980

F Olafsson vs Karpov, 1980

:)

Jul-23-09
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  Fusilli: Well, I found this website with databases of Argentine tournaments and games: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/.... The Clarin 1980 database (I donwloaded it) gives the Karpov-Quinteros game as it is here, and with 1-0 as the obvious result. I am thinking now that my memory was simply failing me. The tournament crosstables that give a Quinteros win over Karpov are probably computed from the flawed databases that close this game with a 0-1. I still plan to confirm this when I visit Buenos Aires, but I was digging around for a while and couldn't find any other 1980 tournament in Buenos Aires where Karpov played.

Maybe I was confusing Quinteros with Garcia-Palermo, another Argentine GM who did beat Karpov around the same time: C Garcia-Palermo vs Karpov, 1982.

Jul-24-09
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  chessgames.com: <Benzol> <The game is featured in "Anatoly Karpov - My 300 Best Games". It is game 94 in that book. Furthermore Black's 16th move is 16...Qc7 not e7 as given here.> That's all we need to know; we're sure Karpov didn't accidentally publish a loss as a victory. Game should be fine now.
Jul-24-09  VLADMNIK: the white pieces really resemble a typical Karpov exploiting open files a idea he used quit often
Aug-07-09  Knight13: 32. f5 gxf5 33. Bxf5 Rcg8 then what? Nf4? K that seems right....

30...Rxh7 31. Rxh7 Rh8 should cut Black so slack.

Nov-28-09
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  Everett: 32. White to move is a position from Imagination in Chess, a remarkably challenging puzzle book.
Dec-01-09
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  Everett: I'm mistaken, it wasn't in Imagination in Chess, but Excelling at Combinational Play by Aagaard.
Sep-15-13
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  Tabanus: It seems the game is correct as it is now. The end position is identical to the one posted day after in the newspaper Clarin (http://najdorf-miguel.blogspot.no/s...) with an almost unreadable "Negros abandone" or something like that!

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