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Julius Perlis vs Jacques Mieses
Ostend-B (1907), Ostend BEL, rd 26, Jun-20
Scandinavian Defense: Main Lines. Mieses Variation (B01)  ·  0-1



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Jul-21-17  ChessHigherCat: The main candidates are Qb4, Rxb2, Qe3+ or Rxd1. To narrow down white's possible responses and keep the white queen from getting into play, the best is probably 22...Qb4 23. Rxd8 Kxd8 24. Qd2+ Kc8 and now white has to start worrying about defense. If 25. Nd1 Bxb2 26. Nxb2 Qa3 25. c3/c4 Qa1 looks pretty threatening

If 22...Qb4 23. b3 Qa3 24. Kb1 and black can probably win with a combination of Rb6 and Nd5.

Time to check it out, maaan

Jul-21-17  ChessHigherCat: Holy Moly! I saw that if Qe3+ Bd2 Bxc3 was complicated after Bxb2+ but I never would have foreseen the whole follow-up.
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Mieses had a gift for using the Scandinavian as a winning weapon, even though at the time it was considered inferior. One of those occasions when temperament triumphs over theory.
Jul-21-17  Ariogermano: 23.bxc3 ?!
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  agb2002: The material is identical.

White threatens Rxd8+, simplifying the position, and Qh3+, creating coordination problems.

Black has four piecrs to attack the white king, starting with 21... Qe3+:

A) 22.Bd2 Bxc3

A.1) 23.Bxe3 Bxb2+ 24.Kb1 Bd4+ 25.Kc1 Bxe3+ wins a piece and a pawn (26.Rd2 Rxd2 27.Qxd2 Bxd2+).

A.2) 23.bxc3 Qc5

A.2.a) 24.Rdf1 Qa3+ 25.Kd1 Qxc3 wins decisive material (26.Kc1 Qa1#; 26.Ke1 Rb1+ 27.Kf2 Rxd2+, etc.).

A.2.b) 24.Rfe1 Qa3+ as above.

B) 22.Kb1 Bxc3 23.Bxc3 Qxc3 wins a piece (24.Qh3+ Rd7).

C) 22.Rd2 Rxb2

C.1) 23.Kxb2 Qxc3+ 24.Kc(b)1 Qa1#.

C.2) 23.Nb1 Rxa2 wins two pawns at least.

C.3) 23.Ne4 Rxd2 (23... Nxe4 24.Qh3+) 24.B(Q)xd2 Qa3 wins two pawns at least.

Jul-21-17  gofer: <21 ... Qe3+>

22 Qd2? Rxd2

22 Kb1? Rxd1+
23 Nxd1 Rxb2+
24 Ka1 Qc1#

22 Rd2 Rxb2!
23 Qe2 Rxc2+! (Kxb2 Qxc3+ mating)
24 Kb1/Kd1 Rc1+! (Kxc2 Qxc3+ mating)
25 Kxc1 Qxc3+ mating!

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<22 Bd2 Bxc3!>

23 Bxe3 Bxb2+
24 Kb1 Bd4+
25 Kc1 Bxe3+
26 Rd2 Bxd2+!
27 Qxd2 Rb1+
28 Kxb1 Rxd2

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<23 bxc3 Qc5>
<24 Rde1 Qa3+>
<25 Kd1 Qxc3>

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Ouch! Black is only a pawn down, but can resign...

Jul-21-17  NBZ: Was initially tempted by Rxb2, but after Rxd8+ Kxd8 Qd2+! White is just fine. Then Qe3+ Kb1? Bxc3 winning a piece suggests itself. Of course Qe3+ meets with Bd2 but here Bxc3 wins: in particular if bxc3 Qc5! and if Bxe3 Bxb2+ and Bd4+.
Jul-21-17  Whitehat1963: Jaw-dropping sequence!
Jul-21-17  Walter Glattke: I have B2) with 21.-Qe3+ 22.Kb1 Rxb2+
23.Kxb2 Qxc3+ 24.Kb1/c1 Qa1/b2#
B2a)22.-Ka1 23.Rxd1+ Nxd1 24.Qc1#
Jul-21-17  et1: FANTASTIC ! Wonderful combination. Mieses was a genious
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  Willber G: I had:

22.Bf2 Bxc3
23.Bxc5 Bxb2+
24.Kd2 Nf4+
25.Ke1 Re6+
26.Kf2 Nxg2
27.Kxg2 Rxd1
28.Rxd1 Rc6

which wins a couple of pawns. Not as good as the actual game, though.

Jul-21-17  Tiggler: <Willber G.>

I went for 21...Nd5 too, but we both overlooked 22.Na4, which ends up with white only one pawn down and drawing chances.

Jul-21-17  Cheapo by the Dozen: I had a hallucination in which White could somehow get his king to a3, after which Black had a dangerous attack but no quick mate.

So I won't say I accurately solved this. :(

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  kevin86: After all the attack, black ends up a knight ahead!
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  whiteshark: SS FF
So sad - Friday frustration
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  Willber G: <Tiggler: <Willber G.>

I went for 21...Nd5 too, but we both overlooked 22.Na4, which ends up with white only one pawn down and drawing chances.>


Jul-21-17  petemccabe: "Falling to Mieses"

You know, in case we need another pun.

Jul-21-17  swclark25: <NBZ: Was initially tempted by Rxb2, but after Rxd8+ Kxd8 Qd2+! White is just fine.>

I also went with 21)...Rxb2, but after NBZ's explanation of White's response, I see its weakness. I assumed White would follow with 22)Kxb2 which would not be best. Great attack sequence by Mieses!

Jul-21-17  swclark25: Would 20)Qh3 have been better for White than 20)Qg2? It would have slowed down Black's Rb6 and following attack.
Jul-21-17  NBZ: I rather liked the Rb1+ touch at the end. It doesn't change the material balance at all but ensures Black ends up with a rook on the 7th rank == zero counterplay for White.
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  takchess: An expert at the Vienna ,Center Game , the King Gambit and various Gambits . Mieses was quite the player,
Jul-21-17  patzer2: For today's Friday puzzle solution, it's not too difficult finding and following the game winning line <21...Qe3+!! 22. Bd2 Bxc3 23. Bxe3 Bxb2+ 24. Kb1 Bxd4+ .>

However, if Black replies 23. bxc3 (instead of 23. Bxe3) it gets a bit more complicated. Stockfish 8 gives the winning line 23.bxc3 Qc5! 24.Rde1 Nd5! when play might continue 25.Qh3+ Kb8 26.Bg5 Nxc3 27.Bxd8 Rb1+ 28.Kd2 Qd4#.

For a Black improvement, instead of 19. g3?! allowing 19...Be5 , White can keep it about level with 19. Qg1 when play migt go 19.Qg1 Qxg1 20.Rdxg1 b5 21.a3 Be5 22.Rd1 c5 23.g3 Kb7 to = (-0.27 @ 33 depth, Stockfish 8) with only a slight Black advantage.

Early in the opening, I strongly prefer the popular move 5. Nf3 over 5. Bd3 =. White's winning percentage is far better with the more flexible 5. Nf3.

Jul-21-17  JimmyRockHound: That was nice!
Jul-21-17  patzer2: Correction: For a <White> improvement, instead of 19. g3?!, allowing 19...B35 , the first player can keep it about level with 19. Qg1...
Jul-23-17  ColeTrane: ...pretty straight forward....
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