Sep-17-03 | | hickchess99: if 19.Ke3 then ...Nc4+ 20.Kd3 Nxb2+ and white's queen has been forked. if 19.Kg5 then ...Bd2 and if the queen takes then she is forked by Nf3. or white can be mated by 20.Kh4 Qe7 21.Kh5 Be8
i believe if white blocks Bd2 with the Knight then white will still mate the King on h5 with Be8 |
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Sep-17-03 | | unclewalter: this really wasnt "black to move and win." if white had simply played 16. Kg2, black would have had only a slight advantage in a wild position. |
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Sep-17-03 | | unclewalter: also, after the ugly 16. Kf4, black missed mate in 4 starting with Qd8. |
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Sep-17-03 | | hickchess99: if 16.Kg2 then ...Qxe3 and then what's white to do? black has the pawn center and a minor piece advantage. i consider that more than a slight advantage |
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Sep-17-03 | | unclewalter: hickchess, remember, black sacrificed a rook. so after Qxe3, he has a bishop and 2 pawns for it. you're right, it should be winning for black, but there's still some technique involved. he hasnt won yet. |
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Sep-17-03 | | hickchess99: what is white gonna do about the a7-g1 diagonal? |
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Sep-17-03 | | crafty: 16. ♔g2 ♕xe3 17. ♘c3 ♗xc3 18. bxc3 ♕e4+ 19. ♔g1 ♘f3+ (eval -2.75; depth 15 ply; 500M nodes) |
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Sep-17-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: Seeing the position after the 14th move of white I have been reckoning another line after 14...Rxf3+ 15.Kxf3 Nxe5+ 16.Kf4. Black could have play also 16...g5+ 17.Kxg5 (17.Kxe5 Bd6+ 18.Kf6 Qd8#; 17...Qxe3+ 18.Kf6 Bd7 seems to be sufficient too.) 17...Qxe3+ 18.Nf4 (18.Kf6 Nd7#; 18.Kh4 Qh6# 18.Kh5 Qf3+ 19.Kg5 Qg4+ with mate in next move.) 18...Nf3+ 19.Kh5 (19.Kg4 e5+ ; 19.Kf6 Qe5#) 19...Qe5+ 20.Kg4 Qf5+ 21.Kxf3 Qe4+ 22.Kg4 (22.Kf2 Bc5+ 23.Qd4 Bxd4#) 22...e5+ 23.Kh4 Be7+ 24.Kh5 Qf5+ 25.Kh6 Qg5#. |
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Sep-17-03 | | JSYantiss: hickchess99, if 19.Ke3, then black will simply play 19...Rf3, checkmate. |
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Sep-17-03 | | jazz: if 16 kg2 costs a bishop and a knight or even bishop knight and queen. and white wastes both move 17 and 18 tries to be offensive when he neededto be defensive. 17 g4 bd7 18kg3 rf8.Now white has many options.White only loses when pawn is not moved to g4 by 18. |
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Jul-04-07
 | | butcher 4: Drinking and chess does mix well.White had a better game. |
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Apr-30-08 | | JimmyVermeer: Honza Cervenka, if 16 Kf4 g5+ 17 Kxg5, Qd8+ gives a faster win than Qxe3+. 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qd8+! 18 Kh5 Qf6 19 Nd4 Be7 20 Bd3 Bd7 21 Qg4+ Kh8 22 Bg5 Be8+ 23 Bg6 Qxg6+ 24 Kh4 Qh6+ 25 Qh5 Qxh5# 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qxe3+? 18 Nf4 Be7+ 19 Kh5 Bd7 20 Bd3 Rf8 21 Qg4+ Nxg4 22 Raf1 Nxh2 23 Rxh2 Qxg3 24 Rg1 Be8+ 25 Ng6 Qxh2+ 26 Kg4 h5# 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qxe3+? 18 Nf4 Nf3+? 19 Kg4 e5+ 20 Kh5 exf4 21 Qxd5+ Be6 22 Re1 Bxe1 23 Bc4 Bxd5 24 Bxd5+ Kg7 25 Rxe1 Nxe1 26 Kh4 h5 27 g4 Qe7+ 28 Kh3 Qe2 29 Be6 Qxe6 30 a3 Qxg4# 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qxe3+? 18 Nf4 Nf3+? 19 Kh5? Qe5+ 20 Kg4 Qf5+ 21 Kxf3 Qe4+ 22 Kg4 e5+ 23 Kh4 Be7+ 24 Kh5 Qf5+ 25 Kh6 Qg5# Also, at the end, White moved into mate several times and Black missed it. 16 Kf4? Qd8! 17 g4 Qf6+ 18 Kg3 Qf3+ 19 Kh4 Qxg4#
16 Kf4? Qd6? 17 Bc5!
16 Kf4? Qd6? 17 Bh3? Qf8+! 18 Kg5 Be7+ 19 Kh5 g6#
17 Bh3? Bd7? 18 Nd4!
17 Bh3? Bd7? 18 Bd4? Rf8+ 19 Bf5 Rxf5+ 20 Ke3 Rf3# |
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Sep-29-16 | | Straclonoor: Here is three lines in position after 15....Ne5
Analysis by Stockfish 160916 64 POPCNT:
1. (-3.85): 16.Kg2 Qxe3 17.Nc3 Bd7 18.Qe2 Qg5 19.Re1 d4 20.h4 Bc6+ 21.Kh2 Qe3 22.Bg2 Qxe2 23.Rxe2 Nf3+ 24.Bxf3 Bxf3 25.Rf1 Bxe2 26.Nxe2 e5 27.Kg2 Re8 28.Rd1 Kf7 29.a3 Bd6 30.Kf2 h5 31.Ke1 Ke6 32.Kd2 Kd5 33.Rg1 e4 34.Rf1 Be5 35.Nf4+ Bxf4+ 36.gxf4 Rf8 37.Ke2 g6 38.b3 e3 39.Kf3 Re8 40.Re1 b6 41.Re2 Re4 42.Re1 Re6 43.Ke2 Ke4 44.Rd1 Re8 2. (-#13): 16.Kf2 Ng4+ 17.Kg2 Nxe3+ 18.Kf3 e5 19.Nd4 Bg4+ 20.Kxe3 Qh6+ 21.Kf2 Rf8+ 22.Nf3 Rxf3+ 23.Qxf3 Bc5+ 24.Ke2 Qe3+ 25.Kd1 Bxf3+ 26.Kc2 Be4+ 27.Kd1 Bb4 28.Bd3 Qd2# 3. (-#4): 16.Kf4 Qd8 17.Qxd5 g5+ 18.Kxe5 Qxd5+ 19.Kf6 Qf5# |
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