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| Apr-11-18 | | Strelets: What a sizzler! |
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| Apr-18-19 | | GlennOliver: The degree of innovation is almost suggestive of a composition rather than the over-the-board game which it actually was. Kudos to Planinc for such a brilliancy. |
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Jan-29-21
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Already knew this one, so no credit for me. Games like this made the Archangelsk Variation (5...b5 and 6...Bb7) quite popular during the early 70s; finally, Black could something in the Ruy Lopez besides suffer. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | Walter Glattke: A) 32.Qxg7 Bd4 33.Kh2 Bxg7 34.Rxf4 Bxb2 35.Rf3 Rc2 36.h4 Rc3 37.Rf2 Rxb3 38.h5 a5 wins for black: 39.h6 a4 40.h7 a3 41.Rf8+ Kb7 42.h8Q Bxh8 43.Rxh8 a2 B) Positional play: 28.-Bxf3 29.gxf3 Bd2 30.Qh8+ Kb7 31.Qh7 Rxb2 32.Qe4+ Ka7 33.Qh7 Kb6 more complicated |
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Jan-29-21
 | | agb2002: Black has a rook and the bishop pair for the queen, a knight and a pawn. Black can increase the pressure on the white castle with 28... Rdg8: A) 29.Nh4 Rxh3#.
B) 29.Ne1 Rxg2 30.Nxg2 (due to Rf2+, R2g7+, etc.) 30... Rxg2 and White doesn't have good defense against the mate threat (31.Qh5 Rg5+). C) 29.Rg1 Bxf3
C.1) 30.gxf3 Rxg1+ 31.Kh2 R8g2#.
C.2) 30.Qxg8+ Rxg8 wins decisive material (31.gxf3 Rxg1+). D) 29.Re1 Rxg2
D.1) 30.Rxe3 Rg1+ 31.Kh2 R8g2#.
D.2) 30.Qh5 R2g5 31.Qh7 Bxf3+ wins. |
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Jan-29-21
| | agb2002: I missed 29.Qc2, when Black's best option seems to return to the previous position with 29... Rd8. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | mqhelisi: How about 31. Qc2 for white threatening
32. Rd3--> Rd1 and sanitize the back rank, second rank already impossible to infiltrate Qc2 strengthens g2 the main weakness..... now OKdoesn't win for white but maybe draw.. I think
White has his own threats Qe4 --> Rd8+ etc when stable |
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| Jan-29-21 | | Brenin: What a player, and what a loss to chess! 31 ... Rg7 is an impressive move: 32 Qxg7 loses the Q to 32 ... Bd4+ 33 Kh2 Bxg7, and if 34 Rxf4 then Be5; 32 Qc2 is answered with the simple 32 ... Re1, so that 33 ... Bf2+ protects the R and threatens 34 ... Bg3+ 35 Rxg3 fxg3#. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | TheaN: I'm with <agb> here. Somehow I picture the direct Rdg8 to be sufficient, but it shows again the power of forcing moves. Of course, <28....Bxf3> given that 29.gxf3 Rd2 -+ is disastrous, as White's positionally bust. The queen can't fight the three pieces alone and the rook's helpless. <29.Rxf3 Rd1+ 30.Kh2 Bg1+ 31.Kh1 Rg7!> is a shocker. It does three things:
1) Threaten Rxh7.
2) Set up Qxg7 Bd4+.
3) Free g3 for Bf2-g3.
After <32.Qh8+ Kb7 33.Rd3! Re1! -+> White's out of spite moves. Best is Qxg7, as creating air for the king leads to the text. Brilliant game. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | malt: I Liked 31.Rg7! . |
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| Jan-29-21 | | gofer: I had a 3-hour Zoom debate (with 12 of us) on Planinc last night and this game was one of two discussed. The impressive moves start a long way before this position. As <Patzer2> notes in 2005... <18. ... O-O-O> The queen sacrifice is just incredible. You then look at some of his other brilliant games and start to realise that he had no fear of giving up his queen to keep 2B+2R and the slightest of positional advantage... ...the kind of stuff that would shake one's opponent confidence to the core... |
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| Jan-29-21 | | gofer: While waiting for the second part of the debate, I had a look at some of his other games and saw this one... 20 ...?
What would you play here - whilst still a whole rook down... ??!! 
click for larger viewR Bogdanovic vs A Planinc, 1965 |
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Jan-29-21
 | | chrisowen: Novels key i Bxf3 git ha acrids key hmm muddle ahh ratchet key novelty melts nova dug gap flippant key i quosh herbie bricks jaw cozy um its video key hid has key moggy gum cessate pets key i on wobbly key i zits rad keys duboff factual 4 5 it appallin it big totups job jib key itching fig it chooses Bxf3 cite? |
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| Jan-29-21 | | Cellist: I considered 28. ... Rdg8 to be sufficient, but it is only drawing after 29. Qc2. I dismissed it anyway because it would hardly be a puzzle. I then chose 28. ... Rd2, but that loses. I did see the game combination until White's move 31 but missed the brilliant continuation 31. ... Rg7 and therefore gave up on it. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | 1g1yy: My first try at this led me to 28...Bxf3 29. gxf3 Rd2 30. Qh8+ Kb7 31. Qc3 Rxh3# I differ from the game in that I take the bishop with the pawn instead. Could someone please tell me if that makes any difference? White is lost either way imo, but I could not see the advantage to taking with the rook. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | njchess: Great game, and a good puzzle. 28. ... ♗x♘ is pretty obvious, but takes a lot of nerve since the outcome is not readily apparent. Another great example of Planinc playing the Morphy Defense, Archangelsk Variation in the Ruy Lopez is Minic vs A Planinc, 1975, with similar results. As you can see, Planinc had few qualms about sacing his queen. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | Brenin: <1g1yy>: After 28 ... Bxf3 29 gxf3 Rd2 30 Qh8+ Kb7, White has to keep his Q protecting the h-pawn to avoid Rxh3#. However, Black also threatens to double his Rs with Rgg2, followed by Rh2#, so White has to give up his Q for a R with 31 Qh5 Rgg2 32 Qd5+ Rxd5. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | 1g1yy: <Brenin: : After 28 ... Bxf3 29 gxf3 Rd2 30 Qh8+ Kb7, White has to keep his Q protecting the h-pawn to avoid Rxh3#. However, Black also threatens to double his Rs with Rgg2, followed by Rh2#, so White has to give up his Q for a R with 31 Qh5 Rgg2 32 Qd5+ Rxd5.> Ok, it's still a disaster for white no matter how that plays out. I didn't consider the queen being exchanged for the rook and then losing a pawn at b2 as well. Next is xb3 most likely, and now the A pawn has a lane open for promotion... Any way you slice this, there's dark times ahead for White. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: I must say that I saw the invasion of the first rank and the ♗g1+ trap with B... + move, winning something?, with 28...♖xf3 29. ♖xf3 ♖d1+ 30. ♔h2 ♗g1+ 31. ♔h1 ♗xf3 32. gxf3... and now? Therefore Black must do the other exchange. The King gives the following sequence, for the case of 34. g4: ♗d4+ 35. ♔g2 ♖xg4+ 36. ♔f3 ♗xh8 37. ♔xg4 ♖e3 38. ♖d8 ♗e5 or 35. ♔h2 ♖ge7 36. ♕xd4 ♖7e2+ with the same check-mate. Obviously if 36. ♔g2 ♖g1+ 37. ♔f3 ♖f1+ 38. ♔g2 ♖f2+ 39. ♔g1 ♖e1# (Don't win the ♕ of course!). |
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| Jan-29-21 | | RandomVisitor: After 28.Qxh7 the machine likes 28...Bc6.
In the 28...Bxf3 line 32.Qc2 prolongs things a bit longer for white, enough to make 28...Bc6 worth considering as possibly best play here. 
click for larger viewStockfish_21011709_x64_ssse:
<45/57 27:37 -9.61 28...Bc6 29.c5 Kb7> 30.Qf5 Rd7 31.h4 Rdg7 32.Ne5 Bxg2+ 33.Kh2 Bxc5 34.Rd1 Be3 35.Re1 Bd4 36.h5 R7g5 37.Qxg5 Rxg5 38.Nf7 Rg3 <45/63 27:37 -8.63 28...Bxf3 29.Rxf3 Rd1+ 30.Kh2 Bg1+ 31.Kh1 Rg7 32.Qc2> Re1 33.Qd2 Bf2+ 34.Qxe1 Bxe1 35.Rxf4 Re7 36.Rf1 Bg3 37.Kg1 Re2 38.Rb1 Kb7 45/61 27:37 -8.51 28...Ba8 29.Qf5 Bc6 30.Qf6 Rd6 31.Qe7 Kb7 32.h4 a5 33.Qe5 Rd2 34.Qxa5 Rgxg2 35.Nxd2 Rxd2+ 36.Qd5 Bxd5+ 37.cxd5 Kb6 38.d6 Rxd6 |
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Jan-29-21
 | | Jimfromprovidence: The line that diverts from the text with 32 Qc2 to me might be more compelling from the magnificent text. I am talking about the line 32 Qc2 Re1 33 g4?!, below, which attempts to give the king an escape square on g2 (as well as allow 34 Rf8+ if 33...gxf3 follows). 
click for larger viewBlack to play and win. |
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| Jan-29-21 | | FlashinthePan: I found it, with a different variation:
33...Rf1 and now:
a) 34. Rf3 Bf2+ 35. Kh2 Bg3+ 36. Rxg3 fxg3#
b) 34. Qxg7 Bd4+ 35. Kh2 Bxg7 and Black has a bishop for a pawn |
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| Jan-29-21 | | morfishine: Its games like this that inspire me to say the greatest match never played would no doubt have been Planinc vs Super Nez Rashid Nezhmetdinov |
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| Jan-29-21 | | RandomVisitor: A final look, after 28.Qxh7 28...Bxf3 re-takes the lead
click for larger viewStockfish_21011709_x64_ssse:
<54/73 7:01:05 -11.32 28...Bxf3 29.Rxf3 Rd1+ 30.Kh2 Bg1+ 31.Kh1 Rg7 32.Qc2> Re1 33.Qd2 Bf2+ 34.Qxe1 Bxe1 35.Rxf4 Re7 36.Rf1 Bg3 37.h4 Bxh4 38.Kh2 Re2 53/75 7:01:05 -10.87 28...Bc6 29.Qf5 Kb7 30.Qh7 Rd7 31.Qf5 Rd6 32.Qc2 Rd2 33.Qxd2 Bxd2 34.Kh2 Bxf3 35.gxf3 Be3 36.h4 Kb6 37.h5 Rg5 38.Ra1 Rxh5+ 53/93 7:01:05 -9.94 28...Rdg8 29.Qc2 Rd8 30.Qf5 Bc6 31.c5 Kb7 32.Qh7 Rd7 33.Qf5 a5 34.h4 Rdg7 35.Ne5 Bxg2+ 36.Kh2 Bxc5 37.Rc1 Bb6 38.Nd3 R3g4 |
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| Jan-30-21 | | Brenin: Thanks, <RV>. I was puzzled when 28 ... Bc6 was top choice in your first posting, until I realised that Black has such a tight control of the position that he can afford to improve his K's protection for a few moves, with Bc6 and Kb7, before resuming his attack on White's K along the g-file or 2nd rank. In the second look, it's interesting that SF now rates decisive action with 28 ... Bxf3 more favourably than careful preparation, though both options are given higher plus scores than before. |
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