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F Schindler vs Manfred Scheiba
"Schindler's Least" (game of the day Mar-31-2005)
corres DDR/BRD (1989) (correspondence)
King's Gambit: Accepted. Rosentreter Gambit Bird Gambit (C37)  ·  0-1



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Mar-31-05  patzer2: White is busted after the passive 16. Rac1?! and perhaps even earlier in the opening. He needed to try 16. g4!? to complicate and try to swindle a draw:

My analysis with Fritz 8 went 16.g4!? f4 17.Bxe4 fxe3+ (17...Bc5 18.Bg6+ Kd8 19.gxh5 fxe3+ 20.Bxe3 Nf6 21.Kg2 Rg8 22.Raf1 Nxh5 23.Bg5+ Be7 (23...Kd7? 24.Rf7+ Kd6 25.Be7+ Kd7 (25...Ke5 26.Re1+ Ne2 27.Rxe2+ Kd4 28.Re4#) 26.Bxc5+ ) 24.Rxh5 Rxg6 25.Rf8+ Kd7 26.Rf7 Kd6 27.Ne4+ Kxd5 28.Rxe7 Bf5 29.Kf2 Bxe4 30.Bf4+ Bf5 31.c3 Rf8 32.Rd7+ Rd6 33.Rxd6+ cxd6 34.cxd4 Kxd4 35.Bxd6 Rf6 36.Kg3³) 18.Bxe3 Be5 19.Rad1 c5 20.dxc6 Nxc6 21.Bg6+ Kf8 22.gxh5 Nf6 23.h6 Be6 24.Bg5 Bxc3 25.bxc3 Ne5 26.Rde1 Bd5 27.Bxf6 Ng4+ 28.Kg3 Nxf6 29.Rhf1 Rxh6 30.Rxf6+ Kg7 31.Be4 Rxf6 32.Bxd5 Rg6+! 33.Kf2 Rf8+ 34.Bf3 Rgf6 35.Rg1+ Kh6 36.Rh1+ Kg6 37.Rg1+ Kf7 38.Ke3 Re8+ 39.Be4 b5 40.Rd1 Ke7 41.Rd4 Rc8 42.Rb4 a6 43.a4 bxa4 44.Rxa4 Re8 45.Kd3 Rd6+ 46.Kc4 Kd7 47.Bb7 Rb6 48.Bd5 Rh8 49.Rb4 Rhb8 50.Rb3 Kd6 51.Kd4 a5 52.Ra3 Rb1 53.c4 Rd1+ 54.Kc3 Rh8 55.Rxa5 and White should hold.

Black can probably improve here, and may have a difficult win, but 16. g4!? was necessary to put up a stronger defense and give White survival chances.

Mar-31-05  hypermodern: wow, whites kingside crumbles after 4...g4, and blacks E & F pawns strike a death blow. Gambit play is so risky & exciting!
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  WannaBe: Why did white not 0-0-0 ? I do not understand. I recommend this to the 'How NOT to play chess' category of game collection. Or better yet, get rid of this game from the collection all-together. 8-)

what an embarassing game. looks like one of mine. 8-))))

Mar-31-05  sharpnova: when black knows how to punish the kings gambit, there's not much white can do. KGA is just a really @#$%ty opening for white.
Mar-31-05  patzer2: Apparently the discovered check try 7...g2+? backfires after 7...g2+? 8.Qxh4 gxh1Q 9. Nc3! (as in in Bird vs NN, 1869 cited above by cu8sfan) Be7 10.Qh5 Nf6 11.Qxf7+ Kd8 12.Bg5 Rf8 13.Qg7 Nc6 14.0–0–0 Nb4 15.Qh6 a6 16. a3 , with a winning White attack (+1.66 @ 14 depth per Fritz 8).
Mar-31-05  thesonicvision: 18...h4?
Mar-31-05  Ezzy: <patzer2> In the 7..g2+ line black does not have to play 13..Nc6 he can play 13..c6 14 0-0-0 Rg8 15 Qh6 Rxg5 16 Nf7+ Kc7 17 Nxg5 with no advantage to white. Or Instead of 15..a6 he can play 15..c5 16 dxc5 Nxa2+ 17 Nxa2 Qxe4 18 Nd3 with no advantage to white.
Mar-31-05  psmith: Courtesy of my old books (1980's) here is some even older analysis (dating in part from the 1880's apparently).

"7... g2+ 8. Qh4 gh1Q 9. Nc3! Qg1 10. Nd5 Bd6 11. Be3 Qg7 12. Nc4 and Black's defence is extremely difficult" (Estrin and Glazkov)

"9.... Nc6 is also unsatisfactory, in view of 10. Qh5 Ne5 (10... Nd8 11 Bg5 or 10... Be7 11 Qf7+ Kd8 12. Bg5 is also clearly to white's advantage) 11. Qe5+ Ne7 12. Qh8 Qh2, and now according to analysis by Schmidt [my old ECO dates this to 1884], by 13. Be3 Qg3+ 14. Kd2 Qg7 15. Qg7 Bg7 16. Nb5 Kd8 17. Bc4 a6 18. Nc3 White gains a clear advantage." (Estrin and Glazkov)

"Nevertheless, Black has a possiblity which promises him equality: 9. ... d6! 10. Nf7 Be7! (but not 10... Kf7 11. Qh5+ Kg7 12. Kf2! with advantage for White) 11. Qh5 Nf6 12. Nd6+ Kd8 (12... Kd7? loses to 12. Qf5+) 13. Nf7+, and White is obliged to force perpetual check." (Estrin and Glazkov, according to ECO the analysis is from Levenfish.)

Mar-31-05  patzer2: <Ezzy> Good catch! Black in the 7...g2+ line can reach an unbalanced but even game after 13...c6 14.0–0–0 Rg8 15.Qh6 Rxg5 16.Nf7+ Kc7 17.Nxg5 Ng4 18.Qg7 Bxg5+ 19.Qxg5 Qf3 20.Be2 Qe3+ 21.Qxe3 Nxe3 22.Rg1 b5 23.Rg3 Nc4 24.Bxc4 bxc4 25.Rh3 d6 26.Rxh7+ =. Also, after your 15...c5 16.Bc4 Qg2 17.Rd2 Qg1+ 18.Rd1 Qf2 19.Rd2 Qg1+ 20.Rd1=, it is a draw by repetition. Either way, it appears Black was better off in the game continuation, playing 7...Qxg4! with an advantage.
Mar-31-05  Ezzy: <patzer2 - Either way, it appears Black was better off in the game continuation, playing 7...Qxg4! with an advantage.> Yes, I think you are correct. Either way, who says we need pawns to protect our king. Wild games these KGA. <psmith> 9..d6 does appear to give black equality.
Mar-31-05  patzer2: <psmith> Thanks for the analysis of 7...g2+ 8. Qh4 gh1Q 9. Nc3! d6! =, leading to a forced draw by threefold repetition. I feel like Rip Van Winkle waking up from a long sleep and catching up on 110 years of theory in this line. Yes, <Ezzy>, these KGA lines are indeed wild and fascinating.
Mar-31-05  patzer2: Perhaps 13. a3!? would have saved Black's game.

After 13.a3!? Bxc3+ 14.bxc3 Nf3+ 15.Ke2 Nf6 16.Bg2 c6 17.c4 Nd4+ 18.Kd2 Rg8 19.Bb2 c5 20.Rhf1 Nh5 21.Bxe4 Nxg3 22.Rf4 f5 23.Bh1 Nde2 24.Rh4 f4 25.Nf1 Nxh1 26.Rxh1 Nd4 27.Re1+ Kd8 28.Bxd4 cxd4 29.Kd3 Bf5+ 30.Kxd4 Kd7 31.Nd2 Raf8 32.Ref1 Bxc2 33.Ne4 Rf7 34.Nc5+ Kd6 35.Rh6+ Rg6 36.Nxb7+! Rxb7 37.c5+! Kd7 38.Rxh7+ , White (with a little help from Black) has turned the tables (Fritz 8 assesses +1.69 @ 14 depth).

However, after my misadventure with 7...g2+!=, I'm sure there are several improvements in this 13. a3!? line, making the assessment more level and drawish.

Apr-01-05  patzer2: In Batsford Chess Openings (Kasparov and Keene), 1986, <11. Bg2 Bd7! > is a suggested continuation of this line. Yet, after 11. Bg2 Nxd4! it would appear Black would have much more than a slight advantage:

11.Bg2?! Nxd4 12.Bxe4 (12.Nd2 f5 13.c3 Nc6 14.g4 fxg4 15.Nxe4 Bd7 16.Nd5 0–0–0 ) 12...Nf6 13.Nc3 Bd6 14.Kf2 h5 15.Bd2 Rg8 (-1.06 @ 13 depth per Fritz 8).

The Opening Explorer statistics are decdeptive in this opening line, showing for example that White won 85% of the 20 games in which 5. Bc4 gxf3 was tried. Yet, White has lost the three games played since 1991, including M Vann vs T Sinkinson, 1991 and Degraeve vs C Marcelin, 2002

However, the possibility 5. Bxf4!? looks interesting and shows White winning 9 out of 12, with a recent win in V Menoni vs A Everet, 2001. However, Black's impressive victory in Morozevich vs Aleksandrov, 2000 seems to have discouraged much subsequent interest in this try.

Perhaps White's best chance for an improvement probably lies with the more modern 4. h4 opening book line. However, Black should be able to hold the draw easily here as in Fedorov vs Carlsen, 2004 or even push for a win as in Hector vs Peter Nielsen, 2003. Yet the line remains about an even battle with White getting in good punches as in E Berg vs De Vreugt, 2002. Black also needs to be prepred to face 4. Bc4 as in E N Cooke vs Z Hajnal, 2001 or S Osinovsky vs A Tjurin, 2003.

Apr-01-05  Catfriend: <Ezzy> <Nxf2> how?!? There is neither a knight able to take on f2 nor a piece to be taken there... If you mean 9.Kf2, white doesn't die on the spot, but he's a rook up. 9..Bd6 10.Nf3 Nc6 and it's clearly won, white has no compensation at all.
Apr-01-05  Catfriend: <cu8sfan> and <patzer> why do you think 7..g2+ isn't winning? In the two games given as example, black played as if to lose... After 9.Nc3, why 9..d6? Why play for a draw when you're a rook up? The line my software suggests is 9.Nc3 Bb4 10.Bd2 Bxc2 11.Bxc3 d5 12.e:d5 Q:d5 13.Kf2 Qd6 14.Re1 Ne7 . with 4.28 advantage for black
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  cu8sfan: <Catfriend> 7...g2+ looks interesting. I'm not saying it isn't winning, what I said is that in this db it's White who won twice.
Apr-01-05  Catfriend: So? 1.g4 has in the db a dominating winning percentage for white... My post was mainly a reply to all the lines and saying about 9..d6 draw.
Apr-01-05  Ezzy: <Catfriend> Sorry I meant 9 Nxf7
Apr-01-05  Catfriend: <Ezzy> Now it's clearer but black still wins. Later, when I"ll have time, I"ll post the main line after 9..Kxe7 10.Qh5+ Ke7. Black manages to stop the king-hunt. Then, he enjoys his high material advantage.
Apr-01-05  Ezzy: <patzer2> 13 a3!? Nice line. Nice Knight sacrifice! So we must assume that 35..Rg6 is an error, so 35.. Bg6 36 Ne6 f3 37 Rh3 b6(37..Bf5 loses)38 Rhxf3 Rxf3 39 Rxf3 Bb1 40 Rf6 Rg6 41 Rxg6 fxg6 should be ok for black. Your line does demonstrate how tactics are always looming on the horizon!!
Apr-01-05  Ezzy: <Catfriend> If Black plays 9..Kxe7 There is no possible way he can avoid perpetual without losing. But he does get a small advantage after 9..Be7 10 Qh5 Qxe4+ 11 Kd1 Qxd4+ 12 Bd2 Qf6 13 Nxh8+ Kf8 14 Bc4 Qg7 15 Bxg8 Kxg8 16 Bc3 Qg1+ 17 Ke2 Qg2+ 18 Ke1 Qe4+ 19 Kd1 Qf4 20 Nd2 d6 21 Kc1(21 Qd5+ loses) and white is ok. But this line 9 Nxf7 is risky for white as there are so many ways in practical play where he could go wrong if no homework is done on this variation. Totally wild stuff this Kings gambit. They were crazy people 100 years ago!!
Apr-01-05  patzer2: Good catch again <Ezzy>! In the 13. a3!? line, your idea 35...Bg6 36 Ne6 (maybe 36. Rf3!? to =) 36...f3 37 Rh3 b6!= (not 37...Bf5? 38. Rhxf3 Bxe6 39. Rxf7 to ) leads to a level game and the drawish outcome I expected.
Apr-01-05  Ezzy: <Catfriend> sorry again 9..Kxf7. I will have to stop flipping these boards around, it's sending me dizzy!!
Apr-01-05  patzer2: <Catfriend> After <7...g2+ 8. Qh4 gh1Q 9. Nc3 Bb4>, I think your software missed White's best reply. White is OK after 9...Bb4 10.Qh5! Qxe4+ 11.Kf2! Qxc2+ 12.Kg3! Ne7 13.Qxf7+ Kd8 (13. Bxc3? 13.Qxf7+ Kd8 14.Qf8#) 14.Bd3 Rg8+ 15.Qxg8+ Nxg8 16.Bxc2 .
Apr-01-05  Catfriend: <patzer> Wow, stunning idea! Perhaps I should treat myself to a Fritz... Yep, I see now after more time you were correct about 9.Nc3
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