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| Dec-29-12 | | M.Hassan: <mmousez>: And the continuation of your line would have been mate in two:
26.Bxd5+ cxd5
27.Qe6#
I'm sure you were aware |
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Dec-29-12
 | | Yogi Darwin: I got the first two moves, seeing that N x N was needed to remove the guard of the h6 pawn. Nice ending. |
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Dec-29-12
 | | Once: Hmmm ... an odd one. After 23. Qh5+ we get to here:
click for larger viewNow black played the suicidal 23...Ke6 and white threw everything including the kitchen sink at him. Instead, what's wrong with 23...Kg8? Then white can't easily winkle him out because 23...Qh8+ repeats the position. 24. Qxf5 is virtually forced. Fritzie reckons that after 23...Kg8 white has an advantage of around 2 prawns, which is NTH (nice to have) but not yet decisive. All white has done is to win a prawn. I didn't get this one. I was looking for something that gave white a bigger advantage. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | Manic: <crabgrass> ...Nf7 would cover the h8 square, hence why the knight needs to be removed first. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | diagonalley: VERY hard to visualise this sequence... (needless to say i didn't!).. beautiful finish |
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| Dec-29-12 | | Moonwalker: OTB I would've made the first 4 moves and winged it from there! |
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Dec-29-12
 | | OhioChessFan: <Once: Instead, what's wrong with 23...Kg8? Then white can't easily winkle him out because 23...Qh8+ repeats the position. 24. Qxf5 is virtually forced.> 24. Bh3 (I didn't find that bolt) |
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| Dec-29-12 | | cyclon: Oh, "Sarkofag in the Cell", i.e. ' uncrypting the Pharaoh '. 20. Nxd6 ( It's an odd scene that such a dull-looking move is a way-opener to the 'heavens-gate'. 20. Qxh6? Nf7. White has to remove the -Nd6. ) and now threat being 21. Qf7+ mating, 20. -Be6 doesn't work; 21. Qxh6 and either 21. -Qxd6 22. Qh8+ Kf7 23. fxe6+ Qxe6 24. Qh5+ Kg8 25. Re1 should be the 'rivet', or 21. -Bxd6 22. Qh8+ Kf7 23. g8Q+ wins material keeping the attack going. So, Black has to capture on -d6. ( 20. Nxd6 ) 1.) 20. -Bxd6 (20. -Rxd6?? 21. Qe8+ ) 21. Qxh6 Bxf5 ( 21. -Bf4?? 22. Nxf4 Qxf4+ 23. Qxf4 Nxf4 24. Rxd8+ ) 22. Qh8+ Kf7 23. Qh5+ Kg8 ( 23. -Ke7 24. Qxf5 White's attack seems very strong with moves like Qh7, Bh3,Re1, g8 hanging in the air. Or 23. -Ke6 24. Re1+ Be5 25. Qxf5+ and now 25. -Ke7 26. Nxe5 / 25. -Kf7 26. Nxe5+ / 25. -Kd6 26. Rxe5 and if 26. fxe5 27. Qxe5+ Kd7 28. Bh3X / finally, 25. - Kxf5 26. Bh3X immediately. ) 24. Qxf5 and now Black can't play for example 24. -Ne7 ( 24. -Ne3 25. Qe6+ Kh7 26. g8Q+ Rxg8 27. Qh3X. ) 25. Qe6+ Kh7 26. Qf7 is a staple 'cause 26. -Rg8 27. Qh5X / 26. -Ng8 27. Qg6X / 26. Kh6 27. Qxf6+ Kh7 28. Rg5 over. If 24. -Qd7, then 25. Qh5, or 24. -Qf7 25. Qh3 . Also 24. Re8 25. Qh5 White's bind should be decisive in all these variations. ( 20. Nxd6 ) 2.) 20. -Qxd6 21. Qxh6 Bxf5 ( 21. -Be6 leads to already earlier mentioned variation transposing 22. Qh8+ Kf7 23. fxe6+ Qxe6 24. Qh5+ Kg8 25. Re1 etc.) 22. Qh8+ Kf7 23. Qh5+ Ke6 ( if 23. - Kg8 24. Qxf5 White threats to play 25. Qh5 which prevents -Kf7, followed by 26. Qh8+. If Black plays, for instance, 25. -Ne3, follows now 24. Qh3 threatening Knight and also 25. Qh8+. If 24. -Nxd1, comes 25. Qh8+ Kf7 26. g8Q+ Rxg8 27. Qh7+ Ke6 28. Bh3+ Kd5 [ 28. -f5?? 29. Qxf5X ] 29. Rxg8 winning material with attack continuing strongly. ) 24. Re1+ ( 24. Qxf5+? is not quite enough here ) 24. -Kd7 25. Qxf5+ Kc7 and SO, the 'Dark Pharaoh' has fled from the crypt, but only temporarily, because White besides being pawn up, has an excellent position. He might continue for example 26. Bg2 with the idea of exchanging the -Nd5 which can't easily move away because Re6, e7 and c6 being weak squares. White's Rooks are more active and Nd3 has an excellent post. There's a h4 pawn advance in the air creating two connected passed pawns on the King's side if the attack halts for the moment. So, even if there's play left in this variation, White's got a winning plan here in my view. Only one question remains: "What did Pharaoh used instead off cufflinks?" |
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| Dec-29-12 | | awfulhangover: Bad problem coz 23.-Ke6?? was an insane move. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | morfishine: I love the Falkbeer Counter Gambit
I could only make progress with this puzzle by first concluding White must start with Qxh6, for better or worse; otherwise, Black plays Nxf5 and the h-pawn is off limits for the short term. So, a raw line runs 20.Qxh6 Nxe4??? 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.g8=Q+ RxQ 23.Qxg8 mate Obviously, Black cannot take the knight. So, again, 20.Qxh6 Nf7 and now, the White Queen is denied access to <h8>. Taking it one step further, we see the Black Knight on <d6> is the primary defensive piece; since if White doesn't play Qxh6, then Black plays Nxf5, and if White plays Qxh6, then Nf7 defends; Conclusion: destroy the Knight first:
<20.Nxd6 Bxd6 21.Qxh6 Bxf5 22.Qh8+ Kf7 23.Qh5+ Ke6 24.Re1+ Be5 25.Qxf5+ Kxf5 26.Bh3 mate> A pretty picture:
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I didn't even look at 25...Kd6 or 25...Ke7; I was more concerned that Black could simply play 23...Kg8 24.Qxf5 <24...Re8> giving the piece back but prolonging the game; While White's next plan more than likely involves an h-pawn push, Black threatens 25...Ne3 winning an exchange... **********
BTW: Where's BOSTER?...must've slept in |
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| Dec-29-12 | | gofer: In the longterm 1 Qh8+ Kf7 2 g8=Q+ seems the most obvious threat, but the
immediate <20 Qxh6 Nf7 21 Qh4> seems a little unclear to me so I think we
first remove that vital defender, Nd6.
<20 Nxd6 ...>
21 Rxd6 Qe8+ mating
21 Qxd6 Qxh6 
<20 ... Bxd6>
<21 Qxh6 ...>
Now the most obvious reply is
21 ... Bxf5
22 Qh8+ Kf7
23 Qh5+ Ke6
Then we get to very interesting Queen sacs on f5, but I can't see quite
how they work in all scenarios, so I am going to have to see what happened! ~~~
Okay, nearly right but playing 24 Re1+ was crutial to the finish. I wonder
how desparate black becomes after 23 ... Kg8! |
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| Dec-29-12 | | Patriot: Black has the bishop pair for a pawn.
20.Qxh6 Nxe4 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.g8=Q+ Rxg8 23.Qxg8#
20.Qxh6 Nf7 may be defending.
20.Nxd6 Bxd6 21.Qxh6 Bf4+ 22.Nxf4 Qxf4+ 23.Qxf4 Nxf4 24.Rxd8+ Bxd8 is going to leave white up a pawn. 20.Nxf6+ Nxf6 21.Qxh6 Nh7 or 21...Nf7.
I'm not so sure about this. I'll have to take another look at 20.Qxh6. 20...Nf7 21.Qg6 Nf4 looks like trouble. It looks like any queen move to protect f5 (21.Qg6, 21.Qh5, 21.Qh3) is harassed by 21.Nf4. I'll go with 20.Nxd6. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | Patriot: It looks like I had a 'retained image' error in the line <20.Nxd6 Bxd6 21.Qxh6 Bf4+ 22.Nxf4 Qxf4+ 23.Qxf4 Nxf4 24.Rxd8+ Bxd8 is going to leave white up a pawn.>. 24...Bxd8 is impossible since that bishop is no longer on e7! So 24.Rxd8+ is an easy win. Plus I really needed to consider 21...Bxf5--a critical move. At least I was right about the direct 20.Qxh6 Nf7. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | kevin86: I guess we went off the sac train and reverted to the prolonged mating attack. Is the winner related to Scott Farkas,the bully in Christmas Story? lol |
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Dec-29-12
 | | Jimfromprovidence: Picking up the analysis of <Once>, after 23…Kg8 24 Qxf5 we get this position.
click for larger viewWhite has a nasty threat. He wants to play 25 Qe6+, forcing 25…Qf7 and then follow that with 26 Qh3! Then after black moves his queen to prevent 27 Qh8#, he can play 27 Qh8+ and after 27..Kf7, promote his pawn and win at least a queen for a rook. Black stops this threat with 24…Bf4+, seeing 25 Kb1 Bg5!
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Now the passed pawn is twice attacked. White is still ahead, but he has to continue with a different plan. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | mmousez: M.Hassan: Ah, actually I didn't see that mate in two. :) |
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| Dec-29-12 | | BOSTER: In his way to reach the <POTD> pos. white has already sacr. some material.
White queen's bishop already left this game, and still is attentively watching outside. Who knows may be when some pawn will be promoted, king invites him to play in this game again. At first sight the exchange pawn f5 for pawn h6 is not a real bargain, because black take Bxf5 with tempo. Let's see. White clearly understand, that untill Ra8 and bishop c8 in his bay, <material> is not so important. What's about knight e4 which is in the air? But black has no time take this knight.
If 20.Qxh6 Nd6xe4 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.g7-g8=Q+ white won.
So, what is the reason to move knight e4 from the center, if nobody touches him,and because black has to protect "g8" square from g7-g8=Q he has to move his bishop c8. So 20.Qxh6 if Bxf5 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.Qh5+ Ke6 (not necessary) 23.Nec5#.
"Much is still p in the air".
Another line 20.Qxh6 Bxf5 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.Nxd6+ Bxd6 23.Qh5+ Ke6 24.Qxf5+ Kxf5 25.Bh3+ and black king should be caught ( of course I didn't find it). |
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| Dec-29-12 | | James D Flynn: White is down a B for a pawn but can now pick up a 2nd Black pawn and threaten mate by 20.Qxh6. White’s N on e4 is en prise but cannot be taken because White threatens 21.Qh8+ Kf2 22.g8=Q+ Rxg8 23.Qxg8#. However, Black can answer 20.Qh6 by Nf7 attacking the White Q and defending h8. If Ne6 or possibly Rxd5 removing a defender from f6 which may be important because with the pawn on g7 and the Black N on f7 the K has no escape squares from a N check. Why speculate on all this when White can simply renew his threat by taking the N on d6?
20.Nxd6 Bxd6(Qxd6 or Rxd6 lose quickly because 21.Qxh6 Kf7 22.Qh5+ Kg8(forced) 23.Qh8+ Kf2 24.g8=Q+ Rxg8 25.Qxg8#)21.Qxh6 Kf7 22.g8=Q+ Rxg8 23 Qh7+ Ke8 24.Rxg8+ Bf8 25.Re1+ Ne7 26.Qh5+ Kd7 27.Rxf8(White has won a R at the cost of his beautiful g7 pawn. In the process he won a pawn and forced the K to the center where it can be attacked by Nc5+, White should certainly win this game but does he have a mate? What about 26,Nc5 with the threat of Qh5+ and Rxf8#? There seems to be no answer except 26…..Qf4+(creating an escape square) 27.Kb1 Qxf5 covering both Qh5+ and Qg6+. Alas that is answered by 28. Qxe7# as is 27…..Kd8 28.Qxe8# so the Q must remain defending e7 and any other move, say 26….Bxf5 2&.Qh5+ Bg6 29.Qxg6 Kd8 leads to Rxf8#. |
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Dec-29-12
 | | agb2002: White has a pawn for a bishop.
Black threatens Nxe4 and Nxf5.
The first idea that comes to mind is 20.Qxh6:
A) 20... Nxe4(f5) 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.g8=Q+ Rxg8 23.Qxg8#. B) 20... Bxf5 21.Qh8+ Kf7 22.Qh5+ Kg8 (22... Ke6 23.Nec5#) 23.Bh3 Bxh3 24.Qh8+ Kf7 25.Qh7 Rg8 26.Qg6+ Ke6 27.Nec5#. C) 20... Nf7 21.Qh5 Nf4 and the attack seems to vanish. The last variation suggests 20.Nxd6:
A) 20... Bxd6 21.Qxh6
A.1) 21... Bxf5 22.Qh8+ Kf7 23.Qh5+ Ke6 (23... Kg8 24.Qxf5 recovers the piece and keeps the attack) 24.Rde1+ Be5 25.Qxf5+ Kxf5 26.Bh3#. A.2) 21... Bd7 22.Qh8+ Kf7 23.g8=Q+ Rxg8 24.Qh7+ seems to win. B) 20... Rxd6 21.Qf7+ and mate soon.
C) 20... Qxd6 21.Qxh6 looks similar to A.
I think I'd play 20.Nxd6. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | James D Flynn: OOPS I remembered the White h pawn asplaced on h3. No matter the line I gave still wins, but a little more slowly. |
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| Dec-29-12 | | Kikoman: I chose <Qxh6> :P |
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| Dec-29-12 | | M.Hassan: <mmousez>:M.Hassan: Ah, actually I didn't see that mate in two. :) You must be joking! |
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| Dec-29-12 | | James D Flynn: Jimfromprovidence: in your line after Bg5(Ne3 is also to be cunsudered)26.h4 appears to win a piece If 26....Bg5 27.Rh1 Bg5 28.Qh7+ Kf2 29.g8=Q# or 26....Qg3 27.Qh5 and a B move is again answered by Qh7+ if Black tries 27....Ne3 28.Rxh4 and Black must play Qxh4 tosacrificng the Qfor a R to avoid mate. |
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Dec-29-12
| | radtop: So, was 17BXh6 the winning move? |
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| Jun-23-23 | | belgradegambit: Is it safe? |
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