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Jacob Murey vs Aleksander S Nikitin
URS (1971)
King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit. Charousek Gambit (C31)  ·  1-0

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Mar-10-09  KingG: Ahh, the old days when I used to spend most of my time on chess studying the King's Gambit and posting on chessgames.com. I think I only started improving when I decided two things:

1)the king's gambit is more trouble than it's worth. It's fun in the early days, and I would recommend it to a relative beginner, but if you want to play it properly you need to know quite a lot of theory(it seemed to me at the time anyway). I don't mean you necessarily need to know lines very deeply, but there are a lot of tricky defences you need to know about, and in certain mainlines you are fighting for equality, or at best the better endgame. When the attraction of the KG becomes better endgames, you start to wonder if you are playing the right opening.

2)My time on chessgames.com is better spend playing over games than kibitzing on them. In particular, there are certain pages that should be avoided at all costs, like the Fischer and Kramnik pages(at the time Kramnik was having his worst ever year, and it was the height of Kramnik bashing). I don't even want to know how much time I've wasted just on those two pages going over the same arguments again and again.

Mar-10-09
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  chancho: <KingG> The Goldsby page back in the day was particularly nasty with all the flaming that was going on there.
Mar-10-09
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  JointheArmy: <chancho> Those were the funniest pages I've ever read on the internet. That is saying something considering this is a chess website.

I've been trying to access them via an archive spider (a device that allows you to read the internet in the past), but CG blocks it for some reason. It works for other forums such as Sherdog though.

There are still gems like this, but unfortunately CG deleted most of the pages and banned the best posters (hayton3).

<<New User>: Hello AJ, I noticed that you took part at tournament ___, can you tell us about it? Also, if you feel like a game, let me know and I'll tell you where to look me up.

<AJ>:
<Nude Abuser>, what do you mean by "Hello"? Are you a Life Master, or at least a GM, that you can talk to me just like that? What's YOUR rating? I bet you don't even have a home page on this site. And no, I don't play on the internet, because internet chess players are cheaters, especially YOU, since you all use computers. That's what my old sergeant in the Army told me. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk.

P.S. Nyuk >

Mar-10-09  KingG: <chancho> Yeah, the Goldsby pages were comedy gold. I understand that chessgames.com wanted to tone down the flame wars going on, but that stuff was absolutely brilliant, and it was a crime to delete it. Someone should have saved it for posteriority. Now there is a lot of stuff cut out from the discussions, and hardly anything makes much sense.

<JointheArmy> Yeah, that was some brilliant satire. Unfortunately I can't recall the genius that came up with that.

<CG deleted most of the pages and banned the best posters (hayton3)> It was a shame about hayton3. He probably should have let the Goldby stuff go in the end, but I don't think he deserved to be banned. He also got into some hilarious flame wars with <steppenwolf>. I think he got banned to, but I don't know why.

Mar-10-09
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  JointheArmy: I believe they banned <steppenwolf> for trolling the GM vs The world games.

What I like about chessgames.com is it is VERY hard to get permanently banned. In fact these are the only people I know who have gotten perma bans.

User: hayton3

User: WMD

User: steppenwolf

User: JohnThornton

User: sitzkrieg

I know there's more, but for some reason these are the only ones I can remember right now.

For the record, <WMD> has been rumored to be William Hartston in real life.

Mar-10-09  KingG: Yeah, I read the rumour about WMD being Hartston, but was there any evidence to back that up? Does Hartston still hold a grudge against Ray Keene?
Apr-30-09  JimmyVermeer: Why did chessgames.com classify this game as a Charousek Gambit? The opening moves of the Charousek Gambit are 1 e4 e5 2 f4 d5 3 exd5 e4 4 d3 Nf6 5 dxe4 Nxe4 6 Qe2. Completely different from how this game started.
Mar-06-10
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  OhioChessFan: The anonymous poster with the AJ parody was <notsodeepthought>

FWIW I think Hayton was way overdue to be banned and Chessgames was extremely (too) patient with him.

Oct-19-16  clement41: I'm surprised that among the several comments above, none has given the pretty mate finishing the game that Nikitin likely foresaw before resigning: 20 ...Kf7 21 Qh7+ Ke6 22 Qg8+ Ke5 (...Ke7 23 Qe8#) 23 Qd5#

if 21...Kf8, then 22 Qg8+ Ke7 23 Qe8#

Obvisouly, given the material balance and the white rook en prise, white had better calculating the whole line and make sure it actually mates

Nov-28-19
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  Messiah: 1.e4 e5 2.f4?! d5?! 3.exd5 e4?!

<3...exf4 is a tiny bit better for Black.>

4.d3 exd3

<4...Qxd5 and 4...Nf6 are also possible. Black tries to equalize in an already worse position.>

5.Bxd3

<The absurd 5.Qxd3 is not entirely bad.>

5...Qxd5

<I don't like this move. We are in the opening, and Black needs to develop as quickly as possible, maybe with something like 5...Nf6 6.Nc3 Be7, and although Black is worse, the position is playable.>

6.Nc3 Qe6+ 7.Nge2 Nh6?

<I have zero idea how Nikitin prepared for this game. This knight move is against every single opening principle I know. In Keres vs Vidmar, 1936 7...Nf6 was Black's decision, where White has the better position by being more developed, but also being very far from winning.>

8.f5 Nxf5 9.O-O Ne3

<Amazingly, Black's position is so bad that there is no better move.>

10.Bxe3 Qxe3+ 11.Kh1 Bd6

<Black is severely underdeveloped. It's time to run for your life with 11...Qh6 12.Bc4 Bd6 13.Bxf7+ Ke7 14.g3 Nc6 15.Qd5 Bd7 16.Rae1 Kd8, and it is questionable if Black can save it to a draw.>

12.Nf4 O-O??

<A serious tactical blunder in an already troubled situation. After 12...Kd8 13.Be4 Re8 14.Qh5 Qc5 15.Bd5 Black is not clearly lost, but has a notable disadvantage, certainly.>

13.Qh5 g6

<Now comes the total demolition of the king shelter. Note, 13...h6 was not better, as 14.Ncd5 is a nice answer to it. Giving back material with 13...Qxd3 is pathetic, of course Nikitin did not go for it: 14.cxd3 Nc6 15.Ne4 Bxf4 16.Rxf4 f5 17.Re1 with a huge attack.>

14.Nxg6!

<Tactics flow from a superior position.>

14...fxg6 15.Bxg6!

<Bang!>

15...hxg6

<Or 15...h6 16.Rxf8+ Bxf8 17.Rf1, where Black is just as lost as after the text move.>

16.Qxg6+ Kh8 17.Nd5

<17.Rae1?? Rxf1+ 18.Rxf1 Qe6 19.Qg5 Be7 and Black defends everything, and is objectively even better!>

17...Rxf1+

<No sacrifice helps anymore. You can try something like 17...Bf5 18.Qh5+ Bh7 19.Rxf8+ Bxf8, but 20.Nxe3 decides - and not in Black's favour.>

18.Rxf1

<Black's queenside is laughable.>

18...Qe2 19.Qh6+ Kg8 20.Nf6+

<Nikitin saw 20...Kf7 21.Qh7+ Ke6 22.Qg8+ Ke5 23.Qd5#, and resigned.>

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Apr-10-20
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  Messiah: Haha, I didn't remember to this catastrophe.
Nov-13-20  Walter Glattke: 17.Rxf8+ Bxf8 18.Rf1 Qh6! 19.Qe8 Nc6 20.Rxf8+ Qxf8 21.Qxf8+ Kh7 22.h4 b6 23.h5 Bg7 24.Qf7+ Kh8 25.h6 Rg8 26.Ne4 wins. 17.Nd5 Qe5 18.Qh6+ Kg8 19.Rxf8+ Bxf8 20.Rf1 Bg7 / 19.Qh6+ draw / 19.Nf6+ Rxf6 20.Rxf6 Qxh2+ 21.Qxh2 Bxh2 22.Kxh2 Nc6 23.Raf1 Bg4 24.Rf7 Ne5 25.Rxc7 Rc8 white advantage.
Nov-13-20  saturn2: I calculated it up to 17 Nd5. White has ssacrificed two pieces. but attacks the king and the queen.

17...Qe6 black seems to have to exchange Q for N

same for

17...Qe5 18. Qh6+ Kg8 19. Rxf8+ Bxf8 20. Nf6+ 

Black is up in material but his pieces remained undeveloped on the queenside

Nov-13-20  Brenin: With Q and N en prise, and Black's K short of support from his pieces, White's first three moves are clear. One then has to see that 17 Nd5 leaves Black helpless against threats to the K and Q. After 20 ... Kf7, 21 Qh7+ and 22 Qg8+ lead immediately to mate.
Nov-13-20  stacase: Black's Queen side is sitting home while White terrorizes their King.
Nov-13-20  malt: Looked at 17...Qe8 18.Qh6+ Kg8 19.Rf6 Rf7 leads to mate.

Also 17...Qe6, 18.R:f8+ B:f8 19.Nf6 wins
17...Qe5 fares the same.

Nov-13-20  goodevans: Pretty good Friday puzzle. Wind it back a move and it would make a decent weekend puzzle too.

<Nov-28-19 Messiah: [...] 7.Nge2 Nh6? <I have zero idea how Nikitin prepared for this game. This knight move is against every single opening principle I know. In Keres vs Vidmar, 1936 7...Nf6 was Black's decision, where White has the better position by being more developed, but also being very far from winning.>...>

<Apr-10-20 Messiah: Haha, I didn't remember to this catastrophe.>

... and I'd almost forgotten that once upon a time you used to post stuff worth reading. What happened?

Nov-13-20  GlennOliver: 14. Ng6 suggests itself intuitively, but superb play from Murey to calculate over the board the possible continuations that lead to mate.
Nov-13-20  TheaN: I get this is a Friday puzzle, because of a double (pending triple!) piece sacrifice but it's these typical 'Black foregoes developing the queen side in a KGD' positions.

White forces Black's hand with <14.Nxg6>. Definitely the better of the two starts given that after 14.Bxg6? fxg6 15.Nxg6 Rxf1+ 16.Rxf1 Qe6! ∓ Black challenges White to the shield shattering, and because White's not threatening anything directly, Black's better.

<14....fxg6> potato potato (this doesn't work well written out) though after 14....hxg6 Black has no potential Rxf1+.

<15.Bxg6> this is the first crossroads:


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It's obvious White anticipates another capture, can Black deviate? Not really because of Qxh7#; Rxf1+ essentially transposes.

15....Qe7 the queen (whom was already developed) becomes overloaded after 16.Rxf8+ Kxf8 (Qxf8 17.Qxh7#) 17.

15....h6 may well be Black's best; for sake of the demolition I consider hxg6 the main line. Even though it's no development and removes the peril from Bg6, it strengthens the King's position somewhat and White does have to be careful here to not let the attack slip.

16.Rxf8+! is the only route to a win to dislodge Bd6, as 16.Nd5? Rxf1+ 17.Rxf1 Qg5 -+ and c7 is defended. 16....Bxf8 17.Rf1! +- is the cleanest route to a win threatening Bf7+; 17.Nd5 wins too, but less clean, because 17....Qg5 18.Nxc7 +-.

<15....hxg6 16.Qxg6+ Kh8 17.Nd5 +->:


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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

White's down <both bishops>, yet is dominating because of a complete development. As long as Ra1 stays where it is, White's safe from back rank threats. Meanwhile, looming is Rxf8+ with Nf6. Besides that, Black will have to deal with the queen being in.

In fact, SF gives 17....Bf5 best (8) and just surrender her majesty completely to avoid an immediate mate after 18.Qh5+ Kg7 19.Nxe3 +-.

Black's last attempt could be to abuse the back rank as played, but after <17....Rxf1+ 18.Rxf1+ Qe2> Black effectively throws the towel because of <19.Qh6+ Kg8 20.Nf6+ Kf7 21.Qh7+ Ke6 22.Qg8+ Ke5 (Ke7 23.Qe8#) 23.Qd5#>


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Holy moly.

Nov-13-20
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  agb2002: White has a bishop and a knight for the bishop pair and a pawn.

Black threatens gxh5 and Bxf4.

The pawn on g6 invites to play 14.Nxg6, threatening 15.Ne7+ and 16.Qxh7#:

A) 14... hxg6 15.Bxg6 fxg6 16.Qxg6+ Kh8 17.Nd5

A.1) 17... Qe6 18.Nf6 Rxf6 (due to Qh6#) 19.Rxf6 Qxf6 (19... Qe7 20.Rf7) 20.Qxf6+ Kh7 (20... Kg8 21.Qd8+ and 22.Qxc8) 21.Qf7+ Kh6 22.Rf1 is winning (22... Be5 23.Qe8; 22... Nd7 23.Qe6+ and 24.Rf5(7)+).

A.2) 17... Bf5 18.Qh5+ wins the queen.

A.3) 17... Qe5 18.Rxf8+ Bxf8 19.Nf6 Qxf6 (due to Qg8# and Qh7#) 20.Qxf6 as in A.1.

A.4) 17... Qe8 18.Qh6+ Kg8 19.Nf6+ Rxf6 (19... Kf7 20.Nxe8+ Kxe8 21.Rae1+ wins) 20.Rxf6 Qe7 (20... Bf8 21.Rg6+ Qxg6 -21... Kf7 22.Qh7+ Bg7 23.Qxg7#- 22.Qxg6+ as in A.1) 21.Rg6+ Kf7 22.Rf1+ Ke8 23.Qh8+ Kd7 24.Rg7 is similar to A.1.

A.5) 17... Rxf1+ 18.Rxf1 Qe2 19.Qh6+ Kg8 20.Nf6+ Kf7 21.Qh7+ Ke6 (21... Kf8 22.Qg8+ Ke7 23.Qe8#) 22.Qg8+ Ke5 23.Qd5#.

A.6) 17... Qe2 18.Nf6 Rxf6 19.Rxf6 as above.

B) 14... fxg6 15.Bxg6

B.1) 15... hxg5 16.Qxg6+ as in A.

B.2) 15... Qe7 16.Nd5 Qg7 (16... Qd7 17.Rxf8+ Kxf8 -17... Bxf8 18.Nf6+ wins the queen) 17.Bxh7+

B.2.a) 17... Qxh7 18.Rxf8+ Bxf8 (18... Kxf8 19.Qxh7 wins decisive material) 19.Nf6+ wins decisive material.

B.2.b) 17... Kh8 18.Bf5+ Kg8 19.Bxc8 Rxc8 20.Nf6+ Kf8 21.Ne8+ wins decisive material.

B.3) 15... Rxf1+ 16.Rxf1 transposes or is similar to previous lines.

C) 14... Re8 15.Ne7+ B(R)xe7 (15... Kf8 16.Qxf7#) 16.Qxh7+ Kf8 17.Qh8#.

D) 14... f5 15.Nxf8 Bxf8 16.Bxf5 wins decisive material.

Nov-13-20
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  agb2002: <TheaN:... 15....h6 may well be Black's best>

I completely missed this, with the threat ... Qg5. However, victory is easy after 16.Rxf8+ Bxf8 (16... Kxf8 17.Rf1+ and the attack is even stronger) 17.Rf1 Qg5 18.Qf3 Qxg6 (18... Nd7 19.Qf7+ Kh8 20.Qh7#) 19.Qxf8+ Kh7 20.Rf7+ Qxf7+ 21.Qxf7+ Kh8 22.Qf8+ Kh7 23.Qxc8.

Nov-13-20  TheaN: I see I didn't finish the 15....Qe7 line at all, haha. 16.Rxf8+ Kxf8 (Qxf8 17.Qxh7#) 17.Rf1+ is disastrous because interposing has no point, and after 17....Kg8 18.Bxh7+! White overloads the queen (this is the same after 15....Rxf1+ 16.Rxf1 Qe7 17.Bxh7+):


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This position makes it so clear what the point of a pawn shield is. 18....Kg7 19.Qg6+ Kh8 20.Qg8#; 18....Kh8 19.Bg6+ Kg8 (Kg7 20.Qh7#) 20.Rf8+! (again) Kg7 (Qxf8 21.Qh7#; Kxf8 21.Qh8#) 21.Qh7+ Kxf8 22.Qh8#, and 18....Qxh7 19.Qe8+ Kg7 (Bf8 20.Qxf8#) 20.Rf7+ Kh6 21.Rxh7+ Kxh7 22.Qxc8 +-.

Having that said, 18.Nd5 #8 is <still> the better move.

Nov-13-20
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  scutigera: <TheaN>: "Potayto, potahto" generally gets the point across in American English, and if you like you can gussy it up even more, e.g. "po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to".
Nov-13-20
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  thegoodanarchist: Is it "beat up on Nikitin week"?
Nov-13-20
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  Breunor: First two moves seemed obvious to me. I also thought black would play h6, but after that lines become complex.
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