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Nietsche vs Samuel Factor
"That Which Does Not Kill Us" (game of the day Jun-28-2016)
Chicago (1928), Chicago, IL USA
King's Gambit: Accepted. Bishop's Gambit Lopez Variation (C33)  ·  0-1



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Mar-26-10  Riverbeast: "God is Dead" - Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is Dead" - God

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  mahmoudkubba: <<That Which Does Not Kill Us>>: I think that in reality means <<<as far as we are not influenced, touched or got any harm on us>>> and does not explain goodness from badness from relations between the two from zero factor. or anything else ... am I saying the right thing please tell me ... In such cases some says to each others thank goodness we r safe and away from any trouble ...
Mar-26-10  riverunner: Why is everyone assuming the philosopher when he died in 1900?
Mar-26-10  Petrosianic: Not to mention that he spelled his name differently.
Sep-22-12  vinidivici: 12...Qxe5 suitable for friday puzzle
Sep-22-12  Abdel Irada: <Riverbeast>: The version of that graffito with which I'm more familiar is:

"God is dead." — Fred

"Fred is dead." — God

(Of course, this was from the same source that also gave us another gem, taken from a London men's room wall:

Of God
To choose
The Jews."

"Not odd
Of God.
Annoy him.")

So I may be a bit biased in favor of the funnier/pithier version.

Sep-22-12  Abdel Irada: I think White began to go fatally astray with 9. ♗xc6†?.

Much more promising was the forthright 9. ♘xg5, threatening 10. ♗xf7†. If Black replies with 9. ...♗g4, White needn't retreat the knight; 10. ♕e1 looks good, maintaining the threat against f7, which is not so easily nullified.

After 10. ...♘xd5; 11. exd5†, ♘e7; 12. ♕e5, ♖g8; 13. d4, o-o-o; 14. ♗xf4 I prefer White. And 10. ...♘e5; 11. d4 also looks promising for the first player.

Still worse for Black is 10. ...♘d4?; 11. ♗xf7†, when it doesn't appear that Black gets nearly enough for his queen.

Sep-22-12  Infohunter: Not so hot for White was 5.Nf3; much better is 5.Nc3. For Black's part, 3...Qh4+, while it suggests itself naturally, is also not the best; better is 3...d5. But I would tend to agree with <Abdel Irada> that White's game truly was lost in the wake of 9.Bxc6+.
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  perfidious: Also Sprach Herr Factor.
Jun-28-16  The Kings Domain: "Thus Spoke Zarathustra".
Jun-28-16  Nietzowitsch: The Nietzsche Factor

<The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.>

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  offramp: If Nietzsche really did say "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" that proves he was a complete idiot.

My mate was in a massive car crash.

It didn't kill him but he's in a coma.

I said to him, "Did the car crash make you stronger?"

He blunk twice, which means "No".

Jun-28-16  thegoodanarchist: In this game Nietsche wasn't a Factor
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  perfidious: <patzer2: < what was the main Factor in white's loss?> The X factor.>

One could also make a case for White's nihilistic tendencies, which met with retribution swift and sure.

Jun-28-16  Conrad93: <If Nietzsche really did say "That which does not kill us makes us stronger" that proves he was a complete idiot.>

I doubt Nietzsche said this, but it wouldn't be the first time Nietzsche has made a ridiculous claim.

Jun-28-16  triskele: When you're young, it's romantic to say "What does not kill us, makes us stronger!". Experience proves the opposite, "What does not kill us, WEAKENS us." For a more accurate philosophical maxim-cliche, try Hegel's "The Owl of Minerva flies at dusk!"
Jun-28-16  Dirkster: Considering Friedrich Nietzsche died in 1900, this game must have been channeled by... oh, I don't know... Teddy Roosevelt?? Of course, since Roosevelt died in 1919, he in turn must have been channeled by someone else... hmm, let me think... I got it! Édith Piaf! That's it - "The Little Sparrow" played White!! EXCELLENT!! (Which is more than I can say for her chess prowess...)
Jun-28-16  kevin86: The black attack does KILL the white king.
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  HeMateMe: social darwinism
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  perfidious: <triskele: When you're young, it's romantic to say "What does not kill us, makes us stronger!"....>

Still more romantic in the eyes of women I have seen is to get that, and similar banalities, tattooed upon themselves.

Jun-28-16  morfishine: Screw Nietzsche, the only person who I admired with a last name beginning with "N" and having some form of "ski" at the end was Ray Nitschke

No doubt, ball carriers thought God had deserted them as they watched Ray descend on them for another punishing tackle


Jun-28-16  Jack Kerouac: Here it is Chess Community.
Best 1/2 hour of Chess documentary ever portrayed.
Jun-28-16  sorokahdeen: Silly game if it was a game and not a composition.

Silly comments about Nietzsche's philosophy (weak, unclear, corrupted by his sister and the Nazis) in the form of an often-quoted phrase as a knee-jerk reaction by religious types who really, really don't get it or, for that matter, in one case, the basics of English grammar and punctuation.

Silliness all around.

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  perfidious: <morf....No doubt, ball carriers thought God had deserted them as they watched Ray (Nitschke) descend on them for another punishing tackle>

Nasty business.

Jun-29-16  Moszkowski012273: Simply 9.e5... gives white a healthy advantage.
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