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| Apr-03-20 | | goodevans: <Walter Glattke: 8.-Ng3+ 9.Kg1 Bc5+ 10.d4 Bxd4+ 11.Qxd4 Ne2+ 12.Bxe2 Qe1#> It took me a little while to see what was wrong with this but of course 12...Qe1+ isn't mate since white has 13.Bf1. Preventing the B from capturing on e2 is, after all, the whole point of 8...Be6! |
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| Apr-03-20 | | cade: I think the natural progression is to look at Ng3+ first, find that the bishop on c4 blocks the winning tactic and then extrapolate the winning move from there. |
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| Apr-03-20 | | Counterpoint: Yevrikov buki etefevedh ueglimo gapki sdzjulop gebrikha ver xurtij lomhor qorhartep! |
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| Apr-03-20 | | Nosnibor: Could this game be from the 1941 Kiev School Championships which was won by Bronstein? If it was a simul then it is even more remarkable to be able to spot all of this whilst playing other games. |
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Apr-03-20
 | | chrisowen: Cad it was like Humphrey Bogart; |
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Apr-03-20
 | | takchess: Nice inbetween move. Some weekend study here for me. |
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| Apr-03-20 | | Walter Glattke: That 13.Bf1 is hard to see, but correct, I think. |
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Apr-03-20
| | chrisowen: Flame on xx |
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Apr-03-20
| | chrisowen: Luke 1 25! |
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Apr-03-20
 | | scormus: I can't help thinking this might have been a "prepared" line by the 17 year old Bronstein, hoping for 7 Nxe5?, though it must have fairly well known. What I call a book-mistake. It's the sort of trap I might have prepared) at his age, as both B and W. 7 Bxf7+ was asking to be played and gives a modest edge to W. The only playable defence I can find to 8 .... Be6! is 9 Nf3, but if I had already played W's 7th then I wouldn't have been wanting to go back to f3. 9 Bxe6?? was a bonus, since even if W avoids it B is still better. |
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| Apr-03-20 | | Knightcarver: According to Bronstein's book, "200 Open Games," this was played in a simultaneous, and the name of the opponent unknown. |
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Apr-03-20
 | | Diademas: <seneca16: Weakies like me would spend most of our time looking at Ng3+ as the first move.> And those even weaker, like me, would see Ng3+ thinking mission accomplished, and declare themselves a genius! |
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| Apr-03-20 | | TheaN: Ah.
Typically, I saw all involved lines with Ng3+ and Bc5+ (as hxg3 and Kf2/Ke1 are clearly losing), even the defense d4 with the idea of Bxd4 and Ne2+, where Nxe2 leads to Qe1#. But then I stalled. For whatever reason. Because I had the feeling the Black move had to have been more forcing than Be6, but this nonpunishable developing move is best, just because of the aforementioned (and played!) tactics. |
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Apr-03-20
| | chrisowen: No acts 16:33 34 no? |
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| Apr-03-20 | | RandomVisitor: After 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Nxe5+ Kg8 9.Qxh5 g6, white can play Qe2-Qc4-Qf7.
click for larger viewStockfish_20033022_x64_modern:
<51/89 13:37 +1.23 10.Qe2 Qh4+ 11.Kd1 Nc6 12.Qc4+ Kg7 13.Qf7+> Kh6 14.d3 Bg4+ 15.Nxg4+ Qxg4+ 16.Ne2 Bd6 17.Bxf4+ Bxf4 18.Qxf4+ Qxf4 19.Nxf4 Rhf8 20.Nd5 Nd4 21.Rc1 c5 22.Re1 Rad8 23.Ne3 Kg7 24.Rf1 Rxf1+ 25.Nxf1 Rf8 26.Ne3 Rf2 27.c3 Nf5 28.Nxf5+ Rxf5 29.Ke2 Re5+ |
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| Apr-03-20 | | dhotts: Wow, after a few thousand king's Gambits were played, Bronstein sees a move that was never seen before 6...dxe5. Quite amazing how the game of chess offers so many opportunities when there appears to be nothing...Well done David Bronstein!!!! |
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| Apr-03-20 | | messachess: 5 move combination. Substantial to see from 8..e6.(Unless you're mr. B.) |
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| Apr-04-20 | | ewan14: Incredible ! |
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Apr-04-20
 | | HeMateMe: I'm a little surprised they had time to think about chess in Kiev in 1941. The city was in the hands of the German army. In his autobiography <The Sorcerer's Apprentice> Bronstein says that he was not asked to join the Red Army, but was instead asked to work on rebuilding the city, after the Germans had been pushed out in 1942-43. Perhaps chess was already occupying a special place in the minds of the Soviet leadership. Bronstein wasn't wasted in the combat maneuvers of the incompetent Red Army, that wasted man like potato chips. In a like fashion, our own Bobby Fischer was spared being sent to Vietnam. A big healthy 20-something who was a high school drop out, Fischer would have been at the top of the draft board's 1A selection group. |
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| Apr-04-20 | | RandomVisitor: After 8.Kf1
click for larger viewStockfish_20040215_x64_modern:
<61/95 9:55:19 -2.78 8...Be6 9.Nf3 Bxc4+ 10.d3 Qd8> 11.Ne5 g6 12.Nxc4 Nc6 13.Qf3 Qh4 14.g3 fxg3 15.Kg2 gxh2 16.Rxh2 Qf6 17.Qxf6 Nxf6 18.Bg5 Bg7 19.Re1+ Kf8 20.Rhh1 h6 21.Bf4 Rc8 22.Ne3 Nh5 23.Bh2 Be5 24.Bxe5 Nxe5 25.Rh4 Nc6 26.b4 Nd8 27.Rf1 c6 61/96 9:55:19 -1.04 8...Ng3+ 9.Kg1 Nxh1 10.Bxf7+ Kd8 11.Kxh1 Bd6 12.d4 Nd7 13.Bd2 Rf8 14.Bd5 Nf6 15.Qf3 Bg4 16.Nxg4 Qxg4 17.Bxb7 Rb8 18.b3 Qxf3 19.Bxf3 g5 20.Bc6 Rb6 21.d5 Rb4 22.Nb5 Re4 23.Ba5 Kc8 24.Nxa7+ Kb8 25.Nb5 Ng4 26.Nxd6 cxd6 27.Bb5 Ne3 |
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| Apr-04-20 | | RandomVisitor: A final look, after 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Nxe5+ Kg8 9.Qxh5 g6, white can play Qe2-Qc4-Qf7.
click for larger viewStockfish_20040215_x64_modern:
<59/99 1:33:20 +1.51 10.Qe2 Qh4+ 11.Kd1 Nc6 12.Qc4+ Kg7 13.Qf7+> Kh6 14.d3 Bg4+ 15.Nxg4+ Qxg4+ 16.Ne2 Bd6 17.Bxf4+ Bxf4 18.Qxf4+ Qxf4 19.Nxf4 Rhf8 20.Nd5 Nd4 21.Rc1 c5 22.Ne3 Kg7 23.Rf1 Rxf1+ 24.Nxf1 Rf8 25.Ne3 Rf2 26.c3 Nf5 27.Nxf5+ gxf5 28.Rc2 Rf1+ 29.Ke2 Ra1 |
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| Apr-06-20 | | dhotts: <HeMateMe> Interesting question about war time fighters having time for chess....War time is all about waiting to be killed. Many times troops are hunkered down and they need to pass the time avoiding thoughts of their own demise....You see where I am getting at, nothing better than chess to take your mind off of anything and everything, including impending death...Think about it! |
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Apr-06-20
| | HeMateMe: Well, in 1941 Stalin ordered that the theaters and ballet remain open, with scheduled performances, with the German armies 50 miles from Moscow. It's good to keep up appearances! |
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| Jun-07-20 | | carpovius: <HeMateMe: Bronstein wasn't wasted in the combat maneuvers of the incompetent Red Army> he'd probably be very happy to join very competent British army at that time) |
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Feb-03-22
| | kamalakanta: Bronstein had very bad eyesight, so he was not fit for frontline duty. Instead, the Soviet Union assigned him to play chess with wounded soldiers at the hospitals.
Later on he went to rebuild a steel factory, and form there he was called to play in a USSR Championship.... |
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