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Raymond Keene vs Dragoljub Minic
"Minic Depression" (game of the day Nov-23-2013)
Rovinj/Zagreb (1975), rd 6, May-??
Indian Game: Wade-Tartakower Defense (A46)  ·  1-0

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Mar-31-05  drukenknight: yes Patzer this is still a mess....

What about 14...Nc4 did he Minic move the wrong N?

Apr-01-05
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  patzer2: <drukenknight> In the sense that 14...Nc4!? puts up a better defense, Black did move the wrong Knight.

However, after 14...Nc4 15.Nf5 f6 16.Bc1 Bxf5 17.Rxf5 Qd7 18.Bxe4 dxe4 19.Rc5 Nb6 20.Bf4± White has a comfortable advantage and Black has a difficult if not impossible defense.

Apr-01-05  drukenknight: you are overlooking 16...00 in that line.
Apr-10-05
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  patzer2: <drukenknight> At a glance, I'd guess White was better after 16...0-0 17. Rf5 .
Apr-11-05  drukenknight: whatever, my glances usually take less than 10 days to occur and anyhow have you had a chance to punch it into computer in all this time are all you simply winging it?
Apr-11-05
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  patzer2: <drunkenknight> I'm winging it. My PC crashed and I was away from the computer for over a week. I haven't reloaded Fritz 8. Thinking of buying Shredder 9 instead.
Apr-11-05  drukenknight: okay I guess I will have to punch it into the crap pc...
Apr-11-05  drukenknight: patzer: hello again. I dont think Rf5 is playable, there is a N on f5, no?

Here is the line we have so far (at least I think so):

14...Nc4
15. Nf5 f6
16. Bc1 O-O

assuming patzer meant Rf4, then this line looks like almost absolute equality:

17. Rf4 Bxf5
18. Rxf5 Re8
19. Bxe4 Rxe4
20. Qxb7 Nb6
21. Rf2 Qe8

crap pc, says -0.01. So far I think we have located the source of Minic's problem. Or maybe I am missing something..

Apr-11-05
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  patzer2: Finally, got the computer program loaded, and Fritz 8 gave almost the same as your's with 14... Nc4 15. Nf5 f6 16. Bc1 O-O 17. Rf4 Bxf5 18. Rxf5 Re8 19. Qxb7 Nb6 20. Bxe4 Rxe4 21. a4 Rxe2 22. a5 Re7 23. Qc6 Re1+ 24. Kf2 Qe7 25. Qb5 Qe4 26. axb6 Rxc1 27. Rxc1 Qxf5+ 28. Kg1 axb6 29. Re1 h6 30. Qxb6 Rc8 31. Re3 Rc4 32. Kg2 Kh7 =.

So, it looks dead even after 14...Nc4!

Apr-11-05  drukenknight: crap pc or Fritz 8? You make the call. See if patzer can bust my lines.
May-27-09  WhiteRook48: 26 Rxc4!!
Nov-23-13  morfishine: Keen sense of danger

*****

Nov-23-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Black is about to lose the queen. White will be up a pawn,queen,and two pieces for two rooks.EZ win!
Nov-23-13
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  Domdaniel: Fascinating kibitz dialog from 2005 ... ou sont les patzers d'antan? Ou est le GM Mondo?
Nov-23-13  Doniez: Oh, great pin will follow after move 28. I love this kind of combination. Does anybody know the meaning of the pun? Thanks
Nov-23-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jimfromprovidence: "Manic Depression" is a song written and recorded by Jimi Hendrix and first released in 1967 on the Are You Experienced album”.

Great album! I was a sophomore in high school when it came out.

Song link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNU4...

Nov-23-13  goldfarbdj: It's a song, but it's also the old psychiatrist's term for what's now called "bipolar disorder".
Nov-24-13  Moszkowski012273: What a horrible move 14...Nd2 is. Can't believe a 2500 would play it.
Nov-24-13  Moszkowski012273: Also engines prefer the lines stemming from 14.Rxf7... but it looks pretty difficult for an actual person to play.
Nov-24-13
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  ray keene: I can truthfully say that I never even considered 14 Rxf7.
Nov-24-13  Moszkowski012273: And I sure as hell don't blame ya.
Nov-25-13  SChesshevsky: Master Keene, were you able to have a post-mortem after the game? 14. Ba3 looked like a killer and it feels like Minic knew he was busted. Did it seem that way OTB?
Nov-25-13
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  Domdaniel: It seems that Mr Keene is an "actual person" ... who said that historical research never achieved anything?
Nov-25-13
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  Domdaniel: It's a pity we don't know what day of the week this game was played on. "Just Another Minic Monday" would have been fun.
Oct-11-18  Parachessus: What a pity. 14. Rxf7!! would have ranked right up there with 21. Rxf7!! from Ray's 1971 game against Robatsch!
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