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| Feb-26-11 | | Atking: Well indeed this wasn't an elementary win as 46.e4? Rc5! draws... 43.e4 seems to do what you said, Kudubux, even better. Black Nh1 looks dead and White Bd5 so wonderful. But I could miss a tactical point so my question about. |
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| Mar-28-11 | | Atking: The idea of a quick Bf5 is indeed clever. As far I can see 12...Bg6!? looks playable as 13.BxRh8 Nxc5 ~ 14...Nd3+ xf2+ favors Black. |
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| Mar-30-11 | | Atking: More I look to Black dynamic setup, more I like it. I tried to "refute" 12...Bg6!? but I found nothing convincing. If someone has a new idea he is welcome.
On the materialistic 13.BxR Nxc5 14.Qd1 (14.Qd2 Nd3+ 15.Kd1 Nxf2+ 16.Kc1 Nd3 is at least equal) 14...Nd3+ 15.Kd2 Nxf2 16.Qe1 Ne4+ (16...NxR?! 17.Nc1~18.Bd3 White Bh8 is still free but not Black Nh1) 17.Kd1 (An amazing misplacement of the K&Q. But 17.Kc1 Nd7 and 18...Rc8) 17...Nc6 18.a3 f6 19.Rc1 BxN 20.NxB Kf7 21.NxN Qa4+ 22.Ke2 QxN 23.Bxf6 KxB E.g 24.Kf2 d4 25.exd Qxd4+ 26.Qe3 Qxb2+ 27.Be2 Re8 28.Qf3+ Kg7 29.Qc3+ QxQ 30.RxQ Nd4
More pragmatic seems 13.Qd1 O-O 14.Nc1 Nxc5 15.Nb3 NxN 14.axN Qd8 d5 is weak but as well is b2-b3 E.g 15.BxN!? RxB 16.Qd4 a5 17.Be2 b6 18.O-O Bc5 19.Qxd QxQ 20.NxQ Rfd8 21.Bf3 Kg7 threatening g4 and with Bc2 Black seems to keep the balance. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | Atking: About 12...Bg6!!?
More I analyse this position more I'm convinced a rook could be the price of this beautiful diagonal 13.BxR Nxc5 14.Qd1 Or 13.Qd1 Nxc5 14.BxR Nd3+ 15.Kd2 Nxf2 16.Qe1 Ne4+ (NxR maybe dubious as this Knight can't escape from the corner but white B can (e.g 17.Nc1 &Bd3) 17.Kd1 (On 17.Kc1 Nd7-Nc5 and Rc8 are new possibility of an attack) 17...Nc6 18.a3 (White best plan seems to be a3&Rc1) 18...d4!!? This move makes me happy for the day. Why Black should ask to the Bishop to come back in the game is the question. The d file is obvious but the real point is f5 square for the Queen. Now 18.Bxd4 Rd8! (better than O-O-O as White is playing for Rc1. Else 18.Nxd4? NxNc3+ 19.bxNc3 Bxc3 xe1 & xa1 For if 20.NxNc6? then 20...Qa4+. 18.exd4?! is more raisonnable but then 18...O-O-O 19.Rc1 Qf5 20.axBb4 Nf2+ 21.QxNf2 QxQf2 22.Be5 Kd7! (Freedom for the Nc6j23.Bg3 Qe3 24.Be1 (24.b5 Nb4!) 24...Bh5! 25.Bd2 Qxd4 Black looks better. E.g 26.h4 Nxb4 27.hxg5 Ke6 28.Nb1 Qxb2 Still the pattern mat Qb3+&Nd3) Here I tried
A. 19.Kc1!? Kf8! ~ Re8 is the idea. This position looks incredible to me but I fail to see how White can make alive its piece up (Is it a form of zugwang like Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch ?). For example the natural 20.h4 then 20...Re8! here some tries 21.Ra2? NxBd4 22.axBb4 Nb3+ 23.Kd1 Rd8+ 24.Nd4 NxNc3+ 25.QxNc3 QxRa2
21.hxg5 NxBd4 22.NxNd4 NxNc3 23.Qh4 Nd5! 24.Qxh6+ Ke7 ~ 25...Bd2+
21.h5 Bh7 22.Rh3 g4...
21.Bh8 Nc5 22.Qd1 Rd8 23.Bd4 NxBd4 24.exNd4 Nd3+ 25.Kd2 gxh4 ~ 26...Qg5+ B.19.Rc1 which looks more natural but here too Black seems to equalize by 19...BxNc3 20.NxBc3 (If 20.RxBc3?! Qa4+ 21.b3 (21.Kc1 Nb4!) then 21...Qxa3 Black is better. I can't resist to give you a line in which Bg6 is the master of the board: 22.g4 Qa1+ 23.Rc1 Qb2 24.Rc3 NxBd4 25.exNd4 Kf8! 26.Re3 Kg8 27.Bg2 Rc8! 28.BxNe4 Rc2!! and Black wins!) 20...NxBd4 21.exNd4 Rxd4+ 22.Kc2 Qe5!! Again a major piece taking some risk to free the Knight 23.Kb1 (23.NxNe4 RxNe4 24.Bd3 Re2+! 25.Kd1! BxBd3 26.Qc3 Qd5 Or 23.Bd3 RxBd3! 24.KxRd3 Nd6+ 25.Kd2 Nc4+ 26.Kd1 Nxb2+ At least a draw) 23...NxNc3++ 24.Ka1 QxQe1+ 25.RxQe1+ Ne4 ... A little material handicap but black pieces are more active. Of course such lines (if correct. I still doubt) which gave me many hours of joy could occured in a postal chess game, but difficultly under a usual time control. Nevertheless I hope this analysis will help to enjoy the idea of Bf5 deeper. |
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| Apr-03-11 | | Atking: I would just add that 13.Qd1 Nxc5 14.Nc1 O-O 15.Nb3 NxNb3 16.axNb3 Qd8 may be a more simple (positionnal) approach. True that d5 is a bit weak. But in case of 17.BxNb8 RxBb8 18.Qd4 a5 19.Be2 Black could defend by 19...b6 20.O=O Bc5 21.Qxd5 QxQ 22.NxQ Rfd8 23.Bf3 Kg7 is adequate (g4 is the threat) as next Bc2 will recover the pawn. |
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| Apr-05-11 | | Atking: On 12...Bg6!? Nigel Short suggested an even better positionnal approach by 13.Qd1 Nxc5 14.Ng3 (My previous 14.Nc1 only focus on black weak pawn d5) here the knight could work on the weakened king side (E.g Nh5~Nf6) which means a long term active bishop on the diagonal a1-h8 may help (In my previous try I was hurry to exchange this Bishop to stop the d pawn. (BxNb8 then no more Nc6-d4)) Still the position is (For me ) incredibly complex: 14...Na4
14...BxR seems still too greedy. 15...NxN 16.BxN BxB+ 17.bxB Qxc3+ 18.Ke2 (With Nc1 - instead of Ng3 - 18.Qd2 is possible 18...QxR 19.Bb5+ Nc6 20.O-O White is better) 18...Qc4+ 19.Kd2 Qb4+ is draw. 15.a3 BxN+ 16.bxB f6! 17.Bxf6 O-O 18.Bd4 Nc6 20.Rc1 NxB 21.QxB Rac8 22.Be2 Nxc3 23.O-O Qxa3 This position is unclear. In one hand Black king side is weakened but in other hand the connected pawns on queen side. 15.Rc1 may be more building. 15....O-O 16.a3 BxN+ 17.BxB NxB 18.RxN Rc8! 19.b4 (19.Ne2 Rc4!) 19...Qd8 20.RxR QxQ 21.Qa1 (21.Qa2 a5 22.b5 Qc5 with Nd7 and Rc8 Black should able to defend) 21...d4! 22.exd Nc6 d5 Nd4!! forces the perpetual. Esle 15.Qd2 (Not the best square for the queen. Nevertheless 15.Qb3 Nc5 is only going to repeat the position (16.Qxd5?? Nd3+!)) 15...O-O 16.h4!? Nc6 17.a3 exchange on c3 then Ne5 should keep the balance. Asking to a chess program I got a surprising 15.Bb5+!? QxB 16.BxR but I suspect the control of d3 square may counter balance the piece handicap after 16...f6!? The threat is of course c3 but the hidden idea is to win a precious tempo by Nd7-Nc5 17.Bxf6 the most natural 17...Nxb2 18.Qb3 Nd3+ 19.Kf1 Qa6! 20.Qa4+ QxQ 21.NxQ Nd7 Black is a minor exchange down but all its pieces are very active. The main idea is Rc8-Rc2. I don't know if that's enough. But yes for today. |
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| Jun-09-12 | | Ulhumbrus: After 11 Nge2 one justification for the move 11...Nb8-a6 is that on e2 White's king's knight does not attack the point e5 as the move Ne5 attacks the point e5, and this suggests that it becomes then easier for Black to leave the point e5 undefended by his queen's knight by playing Black's queen's knight to a6 instead of to c6 or to d7 |
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| Jun-24-14 | | RookFile: A memorable game. Short had a miracle draw in the rook and pawn ending, but missed it. |
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| May-17-18 | | Toribio3: Despite kamikaze counter attack by GM Short, Kasparov remains calm and eventually won the end game. This is vintage Kasparov! |
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Feb-02-19
 | | woldsmandriffield: I remember watching the game live on C4.
46..Rc5!! is the famous 'miracle draw' 47 a5 Rc3+ 48 Ke2 Kxe4 49 a6 Rc8 50 Kd2 Ra8 51 Kc3 Kd5 52 Kb4 Kc6 for example. |
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| Jun-26-19 | | jinkinson: Sorry but there's no way 15 Bxc3 is a sacrifice. White gets the queen back immediately. |
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| Aug-15-20 | | Ulhumbrus: If after 12 Be5 the move Nd4 counts as a threast one alternative is 12...f6 eg 13 Nd4 Bd7 |
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| Aug-16-20 | | Ulhumbrus: If after 12 Be5 the move Nd4 counts as a threat one alternative is 12...f6 eg 13 Nd4 Bd7 |
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Apr-14-23
 | | Check It Out: XTC
https://youtu.be/s29RKnB7l7o |
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Apr-14-23
 | | fredthebear: Nigel had a different hair style back then? Has it really been 30 years since? |
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Apr-14-23
 | | Teyss: Dear users, here are a few tips on how to make a pun:
1. Find a song (or movie, book, painting) with a name in the title. Hint: pen names like Babooshka are unlikely to work.
2. Go on CG search page, type the name.
3. Random select one of the games.
4. Submit.
5. Wait for users' sarcastic comments.
There goes my submitted puns, down the drain.
Okay, the pun does fit the game: see on page 1 how Short came up with 10...Qa5 in game 5 and how Kasparov found 11.Ne2 before playing 12.Be5 for this game. Also interesting posts on 46.e4? (drawing) Ke6? (losing). A CG user once said Kasparov was not the best at endgames, he was right. To be clear, he was a great player notably in openings and middle game, talented and full of energy, but not close to e.g. Fischer or Karpov in endgames. Last, I sometimes wonder about CG sacrifice classification: "♕ sac: 15.♗xc3". |
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Apr-14-23
 | | OhioChessFan: <Teyss: Okay, the pun does fit the game: > Once again, I'm sure all 10 of our British regulars appreciate it while everyone else shakes their head in dismay at another obscure effort. |
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Apr-14-23
 | | keypusher: < OhioChessFan: <Teyss: Okay, the pun does fit the game: >
Once again, I'm sure all 10 of our British regulars appreciate it while everyone else shakes their head in dismay at another obscure effort.> I got it, courtesy of listening to the radio in 1979. (Hoping this shameless sucking up to the pun master will help with my own pun submissions, if I ever make any.) |
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| Apr-14-23 | | stone free or die: Thanks for the explanation <CIO>. I've heard the song before, but never would have connected it on my won. I not sure it was such a big hit that being British would help with the recollection, but maybe my elders would know better! |
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Apr-14-23
 | | MissScarlett: He's talking about Brits as if we're some bunch of wogs. Why he's doing so in a language as obscure as English I won't even dwell upon! |
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| Apr-14-23 | | stone free or die: <<Missy> He's talking about Brits as if we're some bunch of wogs.> Proper English insists you reference your pronouns! |
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| Apr-14-23 | | goodevans: <stone free or die: [...] I not sure it was such a big hit that being British would help with the recollection...> Never a top-10 hit in the UK but hung around in the charts for quite a while. Most Brits a similar age to me would instantly recognise huge amounts of stuff from the late 70s when music fashions were changing so fast and music diversity was massive. Something I just found out: <It was a bigger hit on the other side of the pond>, peeking at 12 and staying in the charts for a massive 22 weeks (albeit in Canada). |
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| Apr-14-23 | | stone free or die: Thanks <goodevans>, who'd have thought?! Won and done!
Have to ask though, what exactly does <wog> mean?! All I'm finding on the net is that it's considered a racial slur, subject to "reclamation" in Australia!?! |
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| Apr-14-23 | | goodevans: <sfod> Offensive in the UK too. Basically anyone who isn't white. Back in my childhood "golly wogs" (toys of black people with frizzy hair) were commonplace. Even used as trade marks. Now considered offensive too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-engla... |
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Apr-14-23
| | keypusher: I read somewhere that it was an acronym for "western oriental gentleman." I assumed that was a myth. |
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sac: 15.Bxc3