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| Mar-19-10 | | Petrosianic: Yeah, all the games should be in the database. It was played in Korchnoi's living room, Korchnoi had black in 5 of the games, but took a White near the end when he was trying to catch up. The final score was +2-2=2. |
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| Mar-19-10 | | slomarko: <Do you know what the result of this was, the training match, if the games can be had?> the result of the match was 2:2 with 2 draws however Korchnoi played 5 of the 6 games as black. the games are on CG: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Mar-19-10 | | Jim Bartle: Petrosianic: ... It was played in Korchnoi's living room, Korchnoi had black in 5 of the games, but took a White near the end when he was trying to catch up. The final score was +2-2=2." Yet some kibitzers are so ignorant they don't include it among the Karpov-Korchnoi matches!! |
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| Mar-19-10 | | BobCrisp: I'm forced to wonder if Viktor ever played in Petra Leeuwerik's back passage. |
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| Mar-19-10 | | Petrosianic: When that first volume of all Fischer's games was published in the 70's, Larry Evans made some remark about it being "morbid" to publish every available game of any player. I remember a time when the existence of the "Secret Training Match" and its final score were known, but nobody seemed to have seen the actual moves. These days it's a little creepy how just about anything can find its way into a database. Things that were only played or only played the way they were because the players thought they were playing in private and could afford to screw around. Like this: Fischer vs Larsen, 1966
It's just a speed game. Not even part of a speed tournament, apparently just a casual game played in between rounds. These days, the crowd is always watching. |
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| Apr-25-13 | | vasja: Why not 13 Bxe4? |
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Apr-25-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <vasja: Why not 13.Bxe4?>
click for larger viewEssentially, that is what happens in the game after White drives Black's bishop from g4 to g6. Let's look at what difference that makes by playing the game continuation without driving the bishop back: <13.Bxe4 dxe4 14.Nxc5 exf3> 
click for larger viewAlready one difference is apparent. The bishop on g4 has a veiled attack on d1, and Black threatens 15...fxg2 winning the exchange. This veiled attack also makes the e-pawn hard to defend. Again, following the game continuation: <15.Bf4 Qxd1>
And now what does White do? If 16.Raxd1 fxg2 wins the exchange, or 16.Rfxd1 fxg2 attacking the rook. White may be able to get the g-pawn back, but in the meantime Black will be ganging up on the e-pawn. Nor are other lines at move 15 much better; for instance, 15.Qxd8 Raxd8 16.Bf4 Rd5 or 16.Rfe1 Rfe8 17.Bf4 Rd5, or 15.gxf3 Qxd1 16.Rxd1 Bxf3 17.Re1 Re8, as before. The whole point is that leaving Black's bishop on g4 gives him these tactical possibilities, so White chooses to drive it away. It's always good to ask. Just saying "Well, it's Karpov and Kasparov. They must have had a reason!" and forgetting about it teaches you nothing. |
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Jan-14-16
 | | thegoodanarchist: After 50...Kxe6! then if 51.Rxc8 Kxd6 and how does White win? So White needs a different 51st move. Maybe 51.Bg3 Rh3!? 52.Rxc8 Kd7 53.Rd8+ Kxc7 54.Rd4 and 54...h4 fails to 55.Rxh4  |
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| Dec-27-16 | | mirkojorgovic: Why not 13... B:F3 _? If 14 gf3,N:F2 lead to complicate position, and white can better answer 14.Q:f3 |
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Jun-08-17
 | | FreeRepublic2: Good question mirkojorgovic. 13... Bxf3 14fxf3 Nxf2 (or Bxf2ch) 15Rxf2 Bxf2ch 16Kxf2 and now Nxe5, gives black a rook and two pawns and exposed white king as compensation for two bishops. I think this can revive the entire variation. However, some black players might be tempted by the Dillworth instead. Also, the Bernstein-Karpov variation 9Nbd2 has been more popular. |
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Aug-21-18
 | | beatgiant: <thegoodanarchist> <After 50...Kxe6! then if 51.Rxc8 Kxd6 and how does White win?> After 50...Kxe6, White has the swischenzug <51. Bg3> and comes out with an extra bishop. |
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| Aug-22-18 | | Granny O Doul: Had Korchnoi thought to play a training match with a strong opponent who refused to shake hands, spent his thinking time away from the board and placed a parapsychologist in the audience, he would likely have won the Baguio match. But that's hindsight. He had invited William Lombardy to serve as his second for the match, btw, but offered him only about $500 a month. Lombardy declined, remarking that a dishwasher in NYC did better. OTOH, how much farther might that money have gone in the Philippines? I ask because I don't know. Also, Ho Chi Minh was a dishwasher in NYC who went pretty far. |
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| May-02-21 | | tbontb: Engine analysis confirms that White's exchange sacrifice 29.Rxd5 is the best winning attempt, with Black effectively lost after 35.Rxa5. The most resourceful defence is Karpov's suggestion 32....Rd8 33.Kxf3 Rd5 34.Rxd5 cxd5 when White retains good prospects but must still work for the win. |
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May-02-21
 | | perfidious: <M.D. Wilson: The 1984 Match catalysed Kasparov's chess development....> So it did. |
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| May-02-21 | | SChesshevsky: Got the feeling that whites modest e5 pawn can be a lot more important than it would seem in the Open Ruys. Annoyingly binding at a minimum, here it looks like Karpov's play significantly revolves around this pawn. Probably not very common to get this much out of the pawn but Karpov seems to confirm it's an important factor to keep in mind. |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=30 | Komodo 2901.00
-0.71 12... Rc8 13. Qe2 Re8 14. Nxe4 Bxe4 15. Ng5 Nxe5 16. Nxe4 dxe4 17. Qxe4 Qd7 18. Be3 Nc4 19. Qc2 Nxe3 20. fxe3 Rxe3 21. Kh1 Rf8 22. Rf5 Qe7 23. Raf1 Re1 24. Qd2 Rxf1+ 25. Rxf1 Be3 26. Qd3 c5 27. Bd5 c4 28. Qf5 g6 29. Qf6 Qxf6 30. Rxf6 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=30 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.61 13. Nxc5 Nxc5 14. Be3 Ne4 15. Re1 h6 16. h3 Bh5 17. g4 Bg6 18. Bb3 Qe8 19. Bxd5 Rd8 20. Bxc6 Qxc6 21. Qe2 Rfe8 22. Rad1 Qe6 23. Rxd8 Rxd8 24. Nh4 Qxa2 25. Nxg6 fxg6 26. f3 Ng3 27. Qg2 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=31 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.30 13... Bxf3 14. gxf3 Bxf2+ 15. Rxf2 Nxf2 16. Kxf2 Nxe5 17. Qd4 Qe7 18. Bf4 Rfe8 19. Qxe5 Qxe5 20. Bxe5 Rxe5 21. Nc5 Rh5 22. a4 bxa4 23. Bxa4 Rxh3 24. Bc6 Rd8 25. Ke3 Rh2 26. b4 h5 27. Nb7 Rb8 28. Bxd5 Re8+ 29. Kd3 h4 30. Nc5 Rd8 31. Kc4 Rd2 32. Be4 R8d6 33. Nxa6 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=32 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.84 16... Qxd1 17. Rxd1 exf3 18. Bf4 Nd8 19. Rd7 Ne6 20. Be3 Nxc5 21. Bxc5 Rfe8 22. Be7 Rac8 23. Re1 Bd3 24. Rxd3 Rxe7 25. Rxf3 Rd8 26. Rfe3 Rd2 27. R1e2 Rxe2 28. Rxe2 Kf8 29. f4 Rd7 30. Kg2 Ke7 31. f5 Rd3 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=32 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.81 18. Rfxd1 Nd8 19. Rd7 Ne6 20. Be3 Nxc5 21. Bxc5 Rfe8 22. Be7 Rac8 23. Re1 Bd3 24. Rxd3 Rxe7 25. Rxf3 Rd8 26. Rfe3 g5 27. e6 Kf8 28. R3e2 Rd6 29. exf7 Rxe2 30. Rxe2 Kxf7 31. Re5 Rd2 32. Rxg5 Rxb2 33. Kg2 Rxa2 34. Rc5 Kg6 35. h4 h6 36. Rxc7 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=34 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.84 20. Be3 Rac8 21. Rfd1 Nxc5 22. Bxc5 Rfe8 23. Kh2 Be4 24. Kg3 Bc6 25. Re7 Rxe7 26. Bxe7 Re8 27. Rd8 Rxd8 28. Bxd8 Kf8 29. Bxc7 Ke7 30. Kf4 Kd7 31. Bd6 Ke6 32. Ke3 g6 33. Kd4 Bb7 34. b3 h5 35. Kc5 hxg4 36. hxg4 Ba8 37. Kd4 f6 38. c4 bxc4 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=39 | Komodo 2901.00
+1.01 21. Be3 Rac8 22. Bc5 Rf7 23. Rfd1 Rxd7 24. Rxd7 Be4 25. Kh2 a5 26. g5 Bc6 27. Re7 Bd5 28. a3 h6 29. gxh6 gxh6 30. Kg3 Rf8 31. Rxc7 Rf7 32. Rc8+ Kg7 33. Kg4 a4 34. Rb8 Bc4 35. h4 Kg6 36. h5+ Kh7 37. Be3 Be2 38. Rb6 Rg7+ 39. Kf4 Rf7+ 40. Kg3 Rg7+ 41. Kh4 Bc4 42. Rd6 Bd5 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=35 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.85 19... Ne6 20. Be3 Rfe8 21. Nxe6 Rxe6 22. Rxc7 Rxe5 23. Kh2 h5 24. Kg3 Rd8 25. b3 hxg4 26. hxg4 Be4 27. Re1 Re6 28. Bd4 Rdd6 29. Kf4 Bd5 30. Rxe6 Rxe6 31. g5 Be4 32. Kg3 Rg6 33. c4 Rd6 34. Be5 Rc6 35. Kf4 Rxc7 36. Bxc7+1.01 19... Rc8 20. Kh2 Ne6 21. Be3 Rfd8 22. Rfd1 Re8 23. Nxa6 Bc2 24. Re1 Be4 25. Kg3 Bb7 26. Nc5 Bc6 27. Rdd1 Nxc5 28. Bxc5 Re6 29. Bb4 g5 30. Ba5 Kg7 31. Rd4 Kg6 32. Re3 Ra8 33. Bxc7 Rxa2 34. Rd8 Ra1 35. Rg8+ Kh6 36. Bd8 Rg6 37. Rxg6+ Kxg6 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=37 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.93 22. Bc5 Rfd8 23. Rfd1 Rxd7 24. Rxd7 Be4 25. Kh2 Bc6 26. Re7 Bd5 27. a3 h6 28. b4 Kh7 29. h4 Kh8 30. h5 Kh7 31. Kg3 Kh8 32. Kh4 Kg8 33. g5 hxg5+ 34. Kxg5 Rf8 35. Rxc7 Rf7 36. Rxf7 Kxf7 37. Kf4 Bc6 38. Bd6 Bd5 39. Kg3 Be4 40. Kg4 Bc6 41. Bc5 Bd5+0.78 22. Re1 Bc2 23. Kh2 Rfd8 24. Re7 Re8 25. Rxe8+ Rxe8 26. Kg3 Rf8 27. Rc1 Bd3 28. Rd1 Rd8 29. Rd2 Rd5 30. Kxf3 Bc4 31. b3 Rxd2 32. Bxd2 Bd5+ 33. Ke2 Kf7 34. Be3 a5 35. f4 a4 36. bxa4 bxa4 37. a3 Bc4+ 38. Kd2 g6 39. Bc5 h5 40. Ke3 hxg4 41. hxg4 Bd5 42. Kd4 Bf3 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: depth=52 | Komodo 2901.00
+0.76 24. b3 Bc6 25. R7d4 a5 26. Kh2 Ra8 27. h4 a4 28. bxa4 bxa4 29. a3 h6 30. Kg3 Bd5 31. h5 Bb3 32. R1d2 Ra5 33. Rd8 Rxd8 34. Rxd8+ Kh7 35. Be3 Bd5 36. Rc8 c6 37. Rc7 Kh8 38. Kf4 Kg8 39. g5 hxg5+ 40. Kxg5 Bb3 41. Bd4 Bd5 42. h6 gxh6+ 43. Kxh6 Kf8 44. Kg5 Rb5 45. Kf6 Ke8 46. Ra7 c5 47. Be3 Rb3 48. c4 Bxc4 49. Bxc5 Bd5+0.68 24. Kh2 a5 25. b3 Bc6 26. R7d4 Ra8 27. h4 a4 28. bxa4 bxa4 29. a3 h6 30. Kg3 Bd5 31. h5 Bb3 32. R1d2 Ra5 33. Rd8 Rxd8 34. Rxd8+ Kh7 35. Be7 Rd5 36. Rc8 Rd7 37. Bb4 g6 38. hxg6+ Kxg6 39. Rg8+ Rg7 40. Rxg7+ Kxg7 41. Kxf3 Bd5+ 42. Kf4 Kf7 43. f3 Kg6 44. Be7 h5 45. Bd8 c5 46. Be7 c4 47. Bf6 hxg4 48. fxg4 Kf7 49. Ke3 Bc6 |
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sac: 29.Rxd5