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Garry Kasparov vs Anatoly Karpov
Interpolis 15th (1991), Tilburg NED, rd 14, Nov-04
Scotch Game: Mieses Variation (C45)  ·  1-0



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Nov-06-03  Jack21221: Then you mean Qxf4+, not Qf5+.

Either way, black can't successfully go after white's king in this position since white simply has more pieces and pawns available for defense than black has on the offense.

Your move would have lead to a similar situation as in the game, and I really don't know if it is better or not. I would have played RxR and Qxf4 if I were black, but then again I am not a former World Champion. But, I wouldn't have done it to go after the king... I would have done it to create a few connected passed pawns on the kingside.

Mar-30-04  ConLaMismaMano: This is the 159th game played between Kasparov and Karpov. Garry Kasparov comes up with a novelty in the opening. Anatoly Karpov fights back but cannot save the game.
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  Bobsterman3000: Wait, where is Kasparov's novelty? I've seen him play against the Scotch like this a few times...
Jan-09-06  babakova: I get the feeling this game was played flawlessly by white. Sure taste could dictate what opening moves should be made etc. But all in all Kasparov seems to make the most powerful moves. Quite impressive stuff.
Feb-19-08  Avarus: Why is 17..Bxg2 a check?
Feb-19-08  Gouki: <Avarus> that is a is not check.

also, what is wrong with 14...Ba6 to save black's white squared bishop?

Feb-28-08  Gouki: so...

can anyone answer my question that was posted on the 19th Feb?

Mar-20-08  Gouki: still awaiting an answer...anyone....
Mar-21-08  littlefermat: <Gouki> Pull out Fritz or Rybka?! Crafty may give some answers as well.

I tried doing this over the board, and the tactical possibilities of this position are pretty intense.

Aug-09-11  crafty: 14...♗a6 15. bxc7 ♖c8 16. ♕a5 ♗d3 17. ♗xf8 ♖xf8 18. ♔d2   (eval 1.50; depth 16 ply; 500M nodes)
Aug-09-11  Doctor Who: 18.Kd2! in crafty's line seems a bit audacious but I'll buy that White is winning there.
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  agb2002: I know this game.
Aug-18-19  Cheapo by the Dozen: I don't understand this game. Did Karpov think he was getting sufficient compensation for the piece, or did he blunder it away/fall into a trap?
Aug-18-19  MrCarciofo: <cheapo by the dozen> I agree with you. I think there's not enough compensation - it was a miscalculation.
Aug-18-19  RandomVisitor: The computer line below shows white happy with his extra piece for three pawns. 15.e6 Qxe6+ does not work for black because after 16.Kxf1 Bxa3 17.Nxa3 Rxa3 white can play Re1 pinning and winning the Queen.

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<52/92 3:09:01 +1.04 15.e6 dxe6 16.Bxf8 Rd8 17.Qe3 Bxg2 18.Rg1 Bh3 19.Qxh3 Kxf8> 20.Nd2 Kg7 21.0-0-0 Rd5 22.Rge1 Re8 23.Nc4 Red8 24.a4 Rxd1+ 25.Rxd1 Rd5 26.Rd3 Qe7 27.Re3 Rf5 28.Kb1 h5 29.Re4 Qd7 30.Qe3 Kf7 31.Kc2 Rd5 32.Nb2 c5 33.Nd3 Qc6 34.Rc4 Rd8 35.a5 Ra8 36.Ra4 Qh1 37.h3 Qh2+ 38.Nf2 Rxa5 39.Rxa5 bxa5 40.Kc3 Qg1 41.Kc4 Qa1 42.Qd3 Qd4+ 43.Qxd4 cxd4 44.Kxd4 g5 45.fxg5

52/99 3:09:01 +0.27 15.Bxf8 Bxg2 16.Qxg2 Rxf8 17.e6 Qxe6+ 18.Qe2 Qxe2+ 19.Kxe2 c5 20.Nc3 c6 21.Na4 Ra6 22.Kd3 d5 23.Rae1+ Kd7 24.Rhg1 Re8 25.Rxe8 Kxe8 26.h4 Ke7 27.h5 gxh5 28.Rg7+ Ke6 29.Rxh7 c4+ 30.Kd4 Kf5 31.Rxh5+ Kxf4 32.Rh1 f5 33.Rf1+ Kg4 34.Ke5 b5 35.Nc3 Ra3 36.Nd1 Rxa2 37.Ne3+ Kh3 38.bxc4 dxc4 39.Rxf5 Kg3 40.Ke4 Re2 41.Rf3+ Kh4 42.Kd4 Rd2+ 43.Kc3 Rd3+ 44.Kb4 Rb3+ 45.Kc5 Rd3 46.Kxc6 b4 47.Rf4+ Kg5

Aug-18-19  Everett: 17..Ba6 is an improvement
Aug-18-19  Hercdon: If nobody answered <Gouki >’s question yet yes 14 ... Ba6 works but another alternative 14 ... Bb5 is probably better.

This is probably just one of many questions lingering in the ether from members like Gouki and Druken Knight. Once a member always a member?

Aug-18-19  TheaN: Bit of an atypical Sunday as I'm not entirely sure whether the text move is so much stronger than the straigtforward capturing on f8.

Karpov overplayed his hand here and I'm not sure why he'd go into a piece down endgame by choice. Compensation sure, but not winning for Black by a long shot.

I intended 15.Bxf8. The reason why 15.e6! looks stronger is because it weakens c6 and closes the e-file. Black doesn't want to play 15....Qxe6+? 16.Kxf1 Bxa3 17.Nxa3 ± on account of 17....Rxa3? (Kf7 ±) 18.Re1 +-. Meaning Black's forced to play 15....dxe6 closing the e-file, after which 16.Bxf8 Rd8 (Bxg2 17.Qxg2 ±) 17.Qb2 Ba6 ⩲ gives White an edge, but nothing more than that.

After 15.Bxf8 White has to be wary for center pressure after 15....Bxg2 16.Qxg2 Rxf8, however, Stockfish also gives this +0.5 after 17.O-O fxe5 18.fxe5 Qxf1+ 19.Qxf1 Rxf1+ 20.Kxf1 Ra5 21.e6 (now, still) d6 22.Nd2 Ke7 ⩲ and the e-pawn falls.

To compare the two:

After 15.e6 (17....Ba6, +0.7ish):

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After 15.Bxf8 (15....Bxg2 and 16....Rxf8, +0.6ish):

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I'd say the second position is harder to win, but the first offers more compensation, neither are easy to win.

Aug-18-19  RandomVisitor: A final look after 14...axb6

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<55/77 6:51:29 +1.03 15.e6 dxe6 16.Bxf8 Rd8 17.Qe3 Bxg2 18.Rg1 Bh3 19.Qxh3 Kxf8> 20.Nd2 Kg7 21.0-0-0 Rd5 22.Nb1 c5 23.Nc3 Rd4 24.Rge1 Re8 25.Ne2 Rd6 26.Qf1 Red8 27.Rxd6 Rxd6 28.Nc3 Rd4 29.Qb5 Qe7 30.Qc6 Rd6 31.Qf3 Qd7 32.a4 Rd2 33.Rd1 Rxd1+ 34.Qxd1 Qc6 35.Kb2 Kf7 36.Nb5 Ke7 37.Qe2 Kd7 38.Kc2 Qd5 39.Qd3 Kc6 40.Nc3 Qg2+ 41.Qd2 Qxd2+ 42.Kxd2 g5 43.fxg5 fxg5 44.h3 h6 45.Kd3 Kd6 46.Ke4 h5 47.Kf3 Ke5

55/131 6:51:29 +0.26 15.Bxf8 Bxg2 16.Qxg2 Rxf8 17.0-0 fxe5 18.fxe5 Qxf1+ 19.Qxf1 Rxf1+ 20.Kxf1 Ra5 21.Nc3 Rc5 22.Rc1 Kf7 23.a4 Rxe5 24.Rd1 Rf5+ 25.Kg2 Rg5+ 26.Kf3 Rf5+ 27.Kg3 d6 28.Rd3 Ke6 29.Re3+ Kd7 30.Rf3 Rg5+ 31.Kf4 Rh5 32.h3 d5 33.Kg4 Ke7 34.b4 Re5 35.Kf4 Rf5+ 36.Kg3 Re5 37.Kf2 d4 38.Ne2 c5 39.a5 bxa5 40.bxc5 Rxc5 41.Nxd4 Rc4 42.Nb5 a4 43.Ra3 Rb4 44.Nxc7 Rb2+ 45.Ke1 Kd7 46.Na8 Rb3 47.Rxa4 Kd6 48.Ra5 Rxh3

Aug-18-19  patzer2: For today's Sunday puzzle, I went for 15. Bxf8 on the assumption my opponent would either save the Black Bishop on f1 or capture the White Bishop on f8. In either case, White gets a strong and near winning advantage (e.g. 15. Bxf8 Ba6 16. Bh6 ± to +- or 15. Rxf8 e6! ± to +-).

What I missed is Black has a way out of the dilemma after 15. Bxf8 with a third and better option in 15...Bxg2!

After 15. Bxf8 Bxg2! 16. Qxg2 Rxf8 17. e6! Qxe6+ 18. Qe2 Qxe2 19. Kxe2 c5 ⩲ to =, Black has three pawns for White's extra piece and, without Queens on board, has good prospects to draw or swindle a win (see RV's deep Stockfish analysis of 15. Bxf8 above).

I looked at 15. e6! dxe6 (not 15...Qxe6?? 16. Kxf1 Bxa3 17. Nxa3 Rxa3? 18. Re1 +-) 16. Bxf8 ±, but because I didn't consider 15. Bxf8 Bxg2! ⩲ to = I wrongly calculated 15. Bxf8 Ba6 16. Bh6 ± to +- was better.

P.S.: So where did Black go wrong? In the follow-up after 17. Qb2, instead of trading down with 17...Qxg2? 18. Qxg2 ± to +- (+2.05 @ 31 ply, Stockfish 10), Black can improve and secure practical drawing with 17...Bd3 ⩲ (+0.68 @ 36 ply, Stockfish 10).

Earlier, instead of 10...f6 11. Ba3 ⩲, our Opening Explorer indicates Black has had more success with the computer pick 10...d6 ⩱ as in Black's win in T Nedev vs Kramnik, 2014.

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  OhioChessFan: Fischer: "A pawn is a pawn."
Kasparov: "A piece is a piece."
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  Breunor: Mirroring what was said 16 years ago, I was hoping white would play Bxf1; then we can look at the board and say, 'Hey! They set up the f file bishops on the wrong side of the board!'
Aug-18-19  ewan14: Garry and Anatoly 1 - Sinquefield Cup 2019 nil
Aug-18-19  RandomVisitor: After 14.cxb6 it takes a computer to find the drawing line, which involves creating connected passed pawns for your opponent, then using them as shelter for your king:

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<56/47 7:23:50 0.00 14...Ba6 15.bxc7 fxe5 16.fxe5 d5 17.exd6 Kd7> 18.Nc3 Re8+ 19.Kd1 Bg7 20.Rc1 Qf5 21.Rc2 Bd3 22.Na4 Bxc2+ 23.Qxc2 Bd4 24.Nc5+ Bxc5 25.Qxf5+ gxf5 26.Bxc5 Re5 27.b4 a5 28.a3 axb4 29.axb4 Ra8 30.Kc2 Ra2+ 31.Kc3 Ree2 32.Rf1 Rac2+ 33.Kb3 Rcd2 34.Rxf5 Rb2+ 35.Kc4 Rbc2+ 36.Kd3 Rcd2+ 37.Kc4

56/91 7:23:50 +0.52 14...Bb5 15.bxc7 fxe5 16.fxe5 Qf5 17.Bd6 Bxd6 18.Qxd6 Rf8 19.Kd2 Qe4 20.Kc3 Rf2 21.Nd2 Qe3+ 22.Kc2 Re2 23.a4 Ba6 24.Raf1 Qxd2+ 25.Qxd2 Rxd2+ 26.Kxd2 Bxf1 27.Rxf1 Rc8 28.Rf3 Rxc7 29.Rh3 h5 30.Rd3 Ke7 31.Rd6 Rc8 32.Rxg6 Rf8 33.Kd3 h4 34.Ke4 a5 35.Kd4 Rb8 36.Kc3 Rb4 37.h3 Re4 38.Rg4 Re2 39.Kc4 Ke6 40.Rxh4 Rxg2 41.Rh6+ Kxe5 42.Rh5+ Ke6 43.Rxa5 d5+ 44.Kb4 Kd6 45.Rc5 Rf2 46.Rc3 Rf4+ 47.Ka3 d4 48.Rg3 Kc5 49.Rg5+ Kb6 50.Kb4 Rh4 51.a5+ Kb7 52.Kc4 Rxh3

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  Bishoprick: Not really a problem. White is a Knight ahead, and all he has to do is exchange piece, while being careful not to lose any.
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