|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| Dec-09-04 | | offramp: One of my favourite games. One of Karpov's problems is that he always wanted to beat Kasparov 'at his own game' - ie in a bit of a tactical melée. Sadly, Kasparov won almost all of the tactical imbroglios, like this one.
Kasparov had no problem going into the hand-to-hand fisticuffs like this - the difference was that he also won many typically-Karpov positional games; and that is why he is one of the great world champions! |
|
| Oct-13-05 | | Averageguy: Doesn't 17...Kh8 win for black? I don't see a way for white to effectivly push his attack and blacks up a piece for two pawns. |
|
| Nov-16-05 | | lorem ipsum: Questions if 31.Nf4 might be a better alternative to white's 31.f4. Any thoughts? |
|
| Nov-17-05 | | Runemaster: <Averageguy> I think that after 17...Kh8, 18.Qf7 poses problems. If then 18...Rg8 to stop mate on g7, White can take the bishop on e7, but better is to start capturing on f6. The Black pawn on g7 can never recapture because of mate on h7 and if both the e7 bishop and the d7 knight recapture, the Black queen falls. If 18...Bf8, I think a similar idea follows.
So, White should regain material and have an overwhelming attack. Of course, if 18...Nxh5, 19.Qxg7# Black is caught up in a lot of nasty pins! Karpov's choice of 17...Kf8 kept him in the game, although he later missed a number of good opportunities, as other kibitzers have pointed out. |
|
| Feb-14-06 | | MorphyMatt: A lot of GMs and IMs play 3. Nd2. Why block in the QB if you don't have to?? |
|
| Feb-14-06 | | Dres1: Runemaster, Nxh5 defends g7 so there is no mate. |
|
| Jun-07-06 | | Ron: I'm going to follow up on Honza's post of May-12-04. I agree that 25. ... Bb2 would have been very unpleasant for white.
If after 25. ... Bb2 white plays Bxb2, then black mates 26. ... Rxe1.
Other lines lead to a loss of piece for white.
If Karpov would have made that move, this game would have made no game collections! |
|
| Dec-09-06 | | Fast Gun: I seem to recall that Karpov actually lost on time here, hence 1-0 at move 39: I could be wrong, could someone out there clarify this? |
|
| Dec-27-10 | | grin44: it looks like a win for black later in the endgame after 39. ..., Ba2. |
|
| Dec-28-10 | | grin44: After some analysis I must annul my previous superficial opinion. The game is lost for black. |
|
| Apr-04-12 | | SMCB1997: 25. Bb2 and Kasparov would have resigned. Kasparov is actually lost there, but Karpov threw away a win I believe. White's last hope is Rd5, but the position is completely lost. Anyways, fair play to Garry for playing those moves!
Also, I think 18. Bxh7?? Was a bad blunder from Garry! |
|
| Aug-13-12 | | master of defence: What´s wrong with 39...Ba2, winning a pawn on queenside? |
|
| Aug-13-12 | | Garech: Wow, this really was a blunderfest! Hard to imagine from these two. This kind of play, I have to say, would not hold up in today's computer age! Carlsen would rip it to shreds. Cheers,
-Garech |
|
| Aug-13-12 | | RookFile: Well, Kramnik overlooked mate in 1 against a computer. Mistakes happen in any age. |
|
| Aug-13-12 | | kasputine: Karpov lost on time.
According to Kasparov in his book (On Modern Chess part 4), "Karpov could well have fought for a draw after 39 ... Ba2, 40 b4 Bxc4, 41 Kh4 a5"Other comments from Kasparov:
"16 Nxe6 most probably loses and fully deserves a question mark" "18 ... Nc5?! - Karpov should have played 18 ... Bc5! instead" "20 Bxg7?? - 20 Nxg7 or 20 b4 are better"
"29 ... Re1+? - 29 ... Bc8! was the most decisive"
"30 ... Re4? - missing the win which apparently could have achieved after 30 ... Qc7+ " "36 Rxe7? - 36 Rd6 Re2, 37 g6 would have won immediately" |
|
| Aug-13-12 | | Garech: I accidentally left Fritz 12 analysing the final position here for the last 8 hours - got to depth 31! Figured I may as well post it:
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12:
1.  (1.32): 39...Ba2 40.b4 Bxc4 41.Kh4 Nf8 42.f5 Kf7 43.Nf4 Nd7 44.g6+ Kf8 45.Kg5 Kg8 46.f6 a5 47.bxa5 bxa5 48.Kf5 Bb3 49.Ne6 Bc2+ 50.Kg5 Ne5 2.  (2.24): 39...Bc2 40.b4 Kf7 41.Kh4 Nf8 42.f5 Nd7 43.g6+ Kg8 44.Kg5 Bd3 45.Ng3 Bxc4 46.f6 Bd3 47.Nf5 Bxf5 48.Kxf5 a5 49.g7 axb4 50.axb4 3. (2.75): 39...Kf7 40.b4 Bc2 41.Kh4 Nf8 42.f5 Nd7 43.g6+ Kg8 44.Kg5 Bd3 45.Ng3 Kg7 46.a4 Cheers,
-Garech |
|
| Apr-14-14 | | Everett: <offramp: One of my favourite games. One of Karpov's problems is that he always wanted to beat Kasparov 'at his own game' - ie in a bit of a tactical melée. Sadly, Kasparov won almost all of the tactical imbroglios, like this one. Kasparov had no problem going into the hand-to-hand fisticuffs like this - the difference was that he also won many typically-Karpov positional games; and that is why he is one of the great world champions!> A decade earlier, you hit the nail on the head. Whereas Kramnik played to neutralize Kasparov with Black, Karpov was banging out the most sharp lines of the Zaitsev, walking into the lion's den. Except, of course, Karpov beat everyone else with it. Except vs Kasparov, he was becoming more dangerous with Black in his later years because of the Zaitsev Ruy. And, to top it off, he missed some wins vs Kasparov himself. Here, though, Kasparov was fully responsible for creating a tactical melee. A shame Karpov didn't find the best moves here to win, but that is exactly the point of Kasparov's high-pressure attack. |
|
Apr-14-14
 | | HeMateMe: Who wins the ending here, if both sides have enough time? |
|
| Apr-14-14 | | Everett: With perfect play, White is the only one with chances, per <Garech> |
|
| May-14-14 | | offramp: Kasparov develops quickly, and he now plays 16.Nd4:e6
click for larger viewA little later, after 19...Nf6:h7, Kasparov thinks he made a mistake:
click for larger view
he played 20.Bb2:g7+. He thought after the game that taking with the knight ws better. Amazing that black is <already> two pieces ahead! Karpov defends really well; he finds loads of <only-moves> but at a cost of physical time.
White plays 25.Bb2-c3
click for larger viewLater still, 
click for larger view ...white now played 36.R:e7. I wonder if he should have kept the rooks on? At move 39:
click for larger view Karpov lost on time. |
|
| Jul-28-15 | | offramp: I really love this wild game. It must have been a very upsetting loss for Karpov. He plays the opening in normal fashion but his opponent gives up a piece with 16.Nxe6. We have all been on the receiving end of attacks like this from unprincipled players at blitz or rapid; without regard to the position the opponent gives away material in pursuit of an attack knowing that defending is more difficult and more time-consuming than attacking. Kasparov gives up another piece. In the mêlée Karpov misses a win. He loses on time, having done nothing particularly wrong except let his opponent give up pieces for an initiative. |
|
Aug-12-15
 | | ToTheDeath: Agreed <offramp>, a really nice attack and Karpov defended ferociously. The attacker's advantage on full display here: the initiative is a piece and so is the clock. |
|
| Mar-10-16 | | not not: what about 22... Qxg2? exchanging queens at the cost of one piece?? karpov would still be 1 piece up.. was it good move? i dont have chess computer program to evaluate |
|
| Jan-03-19 | | carpovius: Super game by super Ks :) |
|
Dec-22-22
 | | saffuna: 39...Ba2 40 b4 bxc4...
Is the game definitely won for white? |
|
 |
|
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
sac: 16.Nxe6