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| Mar-20-21 | | Brenin: 18 Qh6, winning Black's Q after 18 ... e5 19 Bxe5 dxe5 20 Qxc6, was not hard to see. 18 ... gxh6 19 gxh6+, 18 ... f6 19 gxf6, 18 ... cxb+ 19 Kxb2 and 18 ... Qc1+ 19 Rxc1 are no better for Black. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | agb2002: White is a bishop down.
The rook on g1 x-rays the black king. This suggests 18.Qxh6 (18... cxb2+ 19.Kxb2 doesn't seem to change anything): A) 18... gxh6 19.gxh6+ Bg5+ 20.Rxg5#.
B) 18... f6 19.gxf6 Bxf6 20.Rxg7+ and mate next. C) 18... Bf6 19.Bxf6 and mate soon.
D) 18... e5 19.Bxe5 dxe5 (else as above) 20.Qxc6 cxb2+ 21.Kxb2 wins decisive material. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | Brenin: Black could have won a piece with 17 ... e5, instead of 17 ... bxc3. Did two GMs miss this, or is the game score incorrect? If White had actually played 16 axb3 rather than 16 cxb3 then 17 Qh5 bxc3 is more plausible, as 17 ... e5 is answered with 18 Nd5. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | saturn2: Since on move 19... the black d6 is pinned
the pun can be 'Lone Pin'. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | LRLeighton: Brenin -- I checked two other databases, and all three give the same game-score. So yes, it appears that two GMs missed it. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | alussinan: <al wazir>
<This is a consequence of a specialized form of chess blindness I suffer from. >I like this subtle way of saying things.
I've been suffering from this disease too, for years. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | goodevans: Saturday, "very difficult" - <NOT!> |
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| Mar-20-21 | | malt: Have 18.Qh6 cb2+ 19.K:b2 e5 20.B:e5! de5 21.Q:c6 |
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| Mar-20-21 | | Walter Glattke: Saw the diagram of mostly above, think for 20.Qh6 gxh6 21.gxh6+ Kf8 22.Bg7+ Kg8 23.Bf6+draw, while 22.-Kg8 23. Rd3 Qxe4 24.Rdg3 Qg6 wins for black. Correction to 18. Bxg7? in my line, after 22.-Rxf2+ they play 23.Rd2 Bf8 24.Rxf2 Bxh6 25.Rxh6 Qxe4, and black wins. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | WorstPlayerEver: g6 wasn't working, when I found Qh6 it was kind of easy. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | chrisowen: Low gamesmanship Qh6 gift vim account match de riguer again ji patrol it ok c3 with a fan band buddy yucky Qh6 quivered it ha man guv cog flecks vis its dotty with vim pawn bizarre rule its bxc3 focus vim find hive aha hark jag afraid pat pe5 finds ago jag etcetera yeah ebbers about 6 7 add up a bit like fried chicken bxc3 yeah chic Qh6 called it. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | scruggs: Good grief I thought it was Saturday Lost two whole days somewhere |
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| Mar-20-21 | | 1g1yy: If you back it up to move 17 with <White to move. Last: 16...b4> and start the puzzle there, I'd say there's only maybe one person on the planet who solves this one. lol. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | Check It Out: First I looked at 18.Bxg7, then 18.g6, finally 18.Qh6, noticing that the queen is immune and also pinning the d pawn. Bingo! |
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| Mar-20-21 | | thegoodanarchist: <scruggs: Good grief I thought it was Saturday Lost two whole days somewhere> This comment left me Flat. |
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Mar-20-21
| | chrisowen: Damn missed it Qh6 no? |
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| Mar-20-21 | | RandomVisitor: White could have offered up a piece on move 10 with the engine-approved Rhg1:
click for larger view Stockfish_21031920_x64_modern:
<61/92 4:16:03 +0.76 10.Rhg1 Nxe4 11.Nxe4 d5> 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Nc5 Qa5 14.Qe1 Qxe1 15.Rgxe1 dxc4 16.Ne4 e5 17.Bc5 Bxc5 18.Nxc5 f6 19.Re4 c3 20.b3 Bf5 |
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| Mar-20-21 | | MikeB20: 17...bxc3 seems a mistake
After 17...g6 18 Qh6 there is no longer a pin of the black d pawn along white's sixth rank and it looks winning for black after 18...e5 with two white pieces en prise.
The white knight is pinned so can't jump to d5 and not enough time for h4-h5 and opening up the h file as blacks K-Rook can move to d8 with B-f8 following.
This looks winning for black.
What am I missing? |
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| Mar-20-21 | | LivBlockade: I still think the game score is wrong, as I commented on Mar-20-08 (13 years ago today!): <MostlyAverageJoe: Interesting game. I don't see any idea behind 16.cxb3 -- it takes away from the center and voluntarily pins the knight, inviting b4 and a loss of said knight -- even my kid wouldn't play that. 16.axb3 would have been much better.>
I'm really starting to think that the game score is incorrect and White did play 16. axb3. Then the next two moves seem much more plausible. This was Lone Pine - not a friendly 5-minute game. After 16. axb3 b4; 17. Qh5, White plans to meet 17...e5 with 18. Nd5 when if 18...exd4; 19. Nf6+ wins. So White has not really sacrificed a piece. On the other hand, with 16. cxb3 as the current score shows, we're expected to believe that White walked into a pin, Black missed two obvious chances for ...e5, and White went ahead with 17. Qh5 sacrificing a piece even though it's a complete bluff! Does anyone else think 16. axb3 was actually played? |
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| Mar-20-21 | | MikeB20: 16 axb3 definitely makes a lot more sense, LivBlockade.
You may well be right. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | RandomVisitor: <LivBlockade>dailychess.com has the same move 16.cxb3, wtharvey.com has 16.cxb3, 365chess.com has 16.cxb3. Possibly the scoresheets showed 16.pxN and the conversion of the old notation to algebraic produced the error. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | Breunor: I rarely agree with Chrisowen, but we are on the same page today! Damn, missed Qh6! |
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| Mar-20-21 | | Nosnibor: I saw Qh6 wins in about 30 seconds. Strange how some solutions appear easier than others. |
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Mar-20-21
 | | eternaloptimist: This is a 😎 combination set up by 1 of my favorite chess book authors! Although I agree that it’s not nearly as difficult as the vast majority of Saturday puzzles on CG |
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| Mar-21-21 | | thegoodanarchist: < Breunor: I rarely agree with Chrisowen> I rarely <understand> Chrisowen |
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