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Feb-15-11
 | | HeMateMe: Cute pun, great way to force a Queen loss. It almost seemed as though Geller had created a fortresses of pieces, near the end of the game, with few pawns left on the board. |
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| Feb-15-11 | | theodor: 44..;Kg6! than what?!! |
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| Feb-15-11 | | TheRavenPK: <theodor> I think that 45.Qe4+ Kf7 46.Qh7 and no way to avoid 47.Qh5, after which there just HAS to be checkmate somewhere.. but I am really tired, and this "first-view-analysis" took me for about 2 minutes, so I can be wrong.. |
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| Feb-21-11 | | theodor: I dont see it! |
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Feb-22-11
 | | Sastre: If 44...Kg6 then 45.Qc8 Kf7 (45...Rc6 46.Qe8+ Nf7 47.Qe4+ Kh6 48.Rh2#) 46.Qf8+ Kg6 47.Qg8 Re7 (47...Rc6 48.Qe8+) 48.Bxe7 Bxe7 49.Qe6+  . |
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| Mar-23-11 | | theodor: <<Sastre>: If 44...Kg6 then 45.Qc8 Kf7 (45...Rc6 46.Qe8+ Nf7 47.Qe4+ Kh6 48.Rh2#) 46.Qf8+ Kg6 47.Qg8 Re7 (47...Rc6 48.Qe8+) 48.Bxe7 Bxe7 49.Qe6+ .> 49. ..; Bf6! than what? |
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Mar-24-11
| | Sastre: <theodor: <<Sastre>: If 44...Kg6 then 45.Qc8 Kf7 (45...Rc6 46.Qe8+ Nf7 47.Qe4+ Kh6 48.Rh2#) 46.Qf8+ Kg6 47.Qg8 Re7 (47...Rc6 48.Qe8+) 48.Bxe7 Bxe7 49.Qe6+ .> 49. ..; Bf6! than what?> 50.Qe8+ Nf7 51.Qe4+ Kh6 52.Rh2#. |
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| Mar-25-11 | | theodor: <<Sastre: <theodor: <<Sastre>>: If 44...Kg6 then 45.Qc8 Kf7 (45...Rc6 46.Qe8+ Nf7 47.Qe4+ Kh6 48.Rh2#) 46.Qf8+ Kg6 47.Qg8 Re7 (47...Rc6 48.Qe8+) 48.Bxe7 Bxe7 49.Qe6+ .> 49. ..; Bf6! than what?> 50.Qe8+ Nf7 51.Qe4+ Kh6 52.Rh2#.>> you're right, dear Sastre! will you win ''il giro''? |
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Mar-25-11
| | Sastre: No, Contador will probably win the Giro. |
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| Aug-08-11 | | Ulhumbrus: 13..exd4 concedes to White an advantage in space. If White is going to play 14 Ng4, an alternative is 13...g6 After 17..cxd4 Spassky could regain the pawn by 18 Nxd4 and start an attack on the h file. Instead Spassky drives Black's King's Bishop back by 18 g5 Be7, then opens the Greek diagonal by the pawn thruat 19 e5 and on 19...Bf8 offers Black the Greek gift by 20 Bxh7+! On 20...Kxh7 the g5 pawn keeps White's N out of g5. Spassky clears g5 for his N with tempo by the pawn sacrifice 21 g6+!! On 23 Qf3! White threatens 24 Qh3 and 25 Qh7 mate and on 23...Qd7 or 23...Qc8 White has 24 e6 which obstructs Black's Queen on the h3-c8 diagonal and so resumes the threat. Geller sees apparently no way to answer the threat of Qh3 and Qh7 mate except by giving his Queen up by 23...Qxg5. |
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| Apr-09-15 | | A.T PhoneHome: Was an interesting game! Seeing how Spassky plays against Geller fortress. Geller was one of those really resourceful guys. |
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| Jan-17-19 | | malt: 21...K:g6 22.Qd3+
21...fg6 22.Ng5+ Kg8 23.Qf3
Δ 24.Qf7+ and 25.Q:g6 or 24.Qh3
23...Qe7 24.Qh3 |
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| Dec-10-20 | | Ulhumbrus: If after 19..Bf8 the sacrifice 20 Bxh7+ counts as a threat this suggests 19...g6 |
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Dec-10-20
 | | beatgiant: <Ulhumbrus>
On 19...g6, White undermines with <20. e6>. For example, 19...g6 20. e6 fxe6 21. Bxg6 hxg6 22. Rxe6 Kf7 23. Nxd4 looks great for White. |
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| Dec-10-20 | | Ulhumbrus: <beatgiant: <Ulhumbrus>
On 19...g6, White undermines with <20. e6>. For example, 19...g6 20. e6 fxe6 21. Bxg6 hxg6 22. Rxe6 Kf7 23. Nxd4 looks great for White.> In that case one alternative is to try to improve the placement of a badly placed piece, the N on a5 by 19...Na5-c4 eg 20 Bxh7+ Kxh7 21 g6+ fxg6 22 e5 Ne5 |
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Dec-10-20
| | beatgiant: <Ulhumbrus>
On 19...Nac4, White would probably still try the breakthrough with <20. e6>, for example 19...Nac4 20. e6 Ne5 21. Nxe5 dxe5 <22. Bxh7+> works again. |
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| Dec-11-20 | | Ulhumbrus: < beatgiant> Another alternative: 19...Nd7 heading for f8 |
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Dec-11-20
 | | harrylime: Boris owned Geller . Like he owned Korchnoi and Tal ... He was so unfortunate to come up against something from the New world ! lol lol |
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Dec-11-20
| | harrylime: Gellers record against Bobby is mostly luck and garbage. |
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Dec-11-20
| | beatgiant: <Ulhumbrus>
It might help for a while, but 19...Nd7 20. e6 fxe6 21. Nxd4 Nf8 22. Nxe6 Nxe6 23. Rxe6 and Black's kingside will be hard to defend again. |
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| Dec-11-20 | | RookFile: Fischer kind of implied in My 60 Memorable games that the problem with Nd7 and Nb6 is it leave the king vulnerable to attack, and it uses up time. |
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| Dec-11-20 | | SChesshevsky: <Fischer kind of implied in My 60 Memorable Games that the problem with Nd7...> Can see how Fischer was skeptical of the whole idea. I don't really get it. White obviously has increased king side opportunities with the N vacating. Guess with Black expecting Qside benefits in return. But then seems enough examples also where white gets the better there for a win. Guess a main idea for Black is the Bf6 holds everything together. Probably best from the a1 diagonal. But needs to be mobile for that. Seen preemptive ...g6, guess to allow B retreat squares on the diagonal. Here, it gets booted with tempo. Can't be wanted. Maybe Karpov has good idea, as shown in the 1990 Kasparov match. Seemed to keep the N flexible within Kside range just in case. But I'm no expert in these ...Nd7 lines. |
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| Dec-12-20 | | Ulhumbrus: < beatgiant: <Ulhumbrus>
It might help for a while, but 19...Nd7 20. e6 fxe6 21. Nxd4 Nf8 22. Nxe6 Nxe6 23. Rxe6 and Black's kingside will be hard to defend again.>In this variation one alternative to 22...Nxe6 is 22...g6 ( 22...Nc4? 23 Nxf8 Bxf8 24 Bxh7+! Kxh7 25 Qh5+ Kg8 26 g6! Rxe1+ 27 Kh2 and Black is unable to cover h7 or flee ) leaving it up to White to spend ( or lose) more time with his knight eg 23 Nxf8 Bxf8 |
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| Dec-12-20 | | RookFile: I heard it explained that black can do stuff like this in the Sicilian, but it doesn't work in the Ruy Lopez setup. Apparently the GMs have something in mind from a different opening, but it doesn't quite work. |
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Dec-20-22
 | | doug27: < beatgiant: <Ulhumbrus> It might help for a while, but 19...Nd7 20. e6 fxe6 21. Nxd4 Nf8 22. Nxe6 Nxe6 23. Rxe6 and Black's kingside will be hard to defend again.>In this variation one alternative to 22...Nxe6 is 22...g6 ( 22...Nc4? 23 Nxf8 Bxf8 24 Bxh7+! Kxh7 25 Qh5+ Kg8 26 g6! Rxe1+ 27 Kh2 and Black is unable to cover h7 or flee ) leaving it up to White to spend ( or lose) more time with his knight eg 23 Nxf8 Bxf8. But 22.g6 in this line would be met by 23.NxQ |
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sac: 20.Bxh7+