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Viktor Korchnoi vs Efim Geller
9th Soviet Team Championship qual-3 (1963), Moscow URS, rd 2, Aug-08
King's Indian Defense: Saemisch. Closed Variation 7…c6 (E88)  ·  0-1



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Mar-11-04  ughaibu: Kh8 I'd imagine.
Mar-12-04  Lawrence: dk, 40.Rg3 is Junior's favorite, and ugi's answer is right. Then 41.h3 Bh5. With a virtually identical eval is 40.h3 Bh5.
Mar-12-04  Lawrence: ughaibu, leaving J8 on for a longer search, it decides that Korchnoi's 23.Qc1 is a bit stronger than 23.Qg5, just the contrary of what I said yesterday. As you suggested, 25.Qf1 is met by 25...Bh6 and now Black has a whopping advantage, eval -3.09 (5 min.)
Mar-12-04  ughaibu: Thanks. I guess it's too much to hope that they explain why they like Qg5?
Mar-12-04  Lawrence: ughaibu, I asked Junior 8 and he just said "It's da strongest move, man, it's da strongest move."
Mar-12-04  drukenknight: so does 40 Rg3 Kh8 etc. keep the game even? That looks like the pt where it goes wrong for Korch.
Mar-12-04  Lawrence: dk, no, it's not even. 40.Rg3 was White's best move but there's an eval of -1.59. By move 13 Black had gained an edge. Later it gets less bad for White until 46.Qc1?, eval. -2.86, and then Korchnoi's position quickly falls apart.

Geller missed 40...Nb2, which would surely have won him the game, eval -6.19 (Junior 8)

Mar-26-04  ughaibu: This page needs more posts, it's not yet a significant game.
Mar-26-04  ughaibu: No comment?
Mar-26-04  Lawrence: <ugi>, this page needs more posts the same as you need more saki, so go ahead, have one on me.
Mar-26-04  ughaibu: Lawrence: Thanks. I've got the weirdest nayamis at the moment, if I were Marnoff Mirlony I'd be confident.
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  tamar: Okay, I have to ask. What is a nayamis? A Japanese word for headcold?
Mar-27-04  ughaibu: "Nayami" is a problem that needs thinking through, a worry, that kind of thing.
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  tamar: <"Nayami"> Well good luck solving it if you do have a worry. It sounds like a neat word, a term that could be used to apply to Korchnoi's overall predictament in this game. Geller's moves look very natural, with his pieces taking up unassailable posts, while Korchnoi has unsolvable problems, and keeps having to find new homes for his pieces, especially the queen.
Apr-28-04  ughaibu: In this game Geller recaptures on f5 with his bishop, this is extremely unusual, the only other example I can think of is Spassky vs Ragozin, 1956. If black had lost the annotators would have the facility to readily criticise this recapture without considering it's actual merits. Chess isn't an absract theorem in which the players search for the correct moves, it's a confrontation in real time in which the players depend on their own resources. Moves such as 16....Bf5 that take the game out of it's routine and into the realm of personality are those which cause the distinction between a great game and a grandmaster draw. One can study openings or endings till their eyes pop but unless they can make unprecedented decisions they won't be playing chess.
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  Gypsy: Bxf5 isn't that weird, is it?
Apr-28-04  ughaibu: It's even weirder in this position because white's b4 has left the knight on c3 unsupported.
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  Gypsy: Good food for thought. Thnx! (Though I have to leave this thinking for later.)
Apr-28-04  ughaibu: Gypsy: Thanks. My post above was in conjunction with a couple of others, here: Sokolsky vs Botvinnik, 1939 and here:K Chernyshov vs A Lesiak, 1969
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  Honza Cervenka: 40...Nb2 would have been a nice final shot. 41.Rd2 (41.Re3 Bxe3 42.Qxe3 Rf3+ ) 41...Rf3+ 42.Kh4 (42.Kxg4 R8f4+ 43.Kg5 Bd8+ 44.Kh5 Rh3+ with mate; 42.Kg2 Bh3+ 43.Kh1 Rf1+ 44.Qxf1 Rxf1#) 42...Bd8+ 43.Ng5 (43.Kxg4 R8f4+ 44.Kh5 Rh3+ 45.Qh4 Rhxh4#) 43...R8f4 and black wins.
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  Gypsy: I checked the database on KID, <ugi>, and, indeed, Bxf5 is rare. That suprises the hell of me, for, at least in this game, I considered the choice between gxf5 and Bxf5 about even. I could definitely see the merits (and detractions) of both and which to chose I thought just a matter of temterament, style, game-tactics, mood, or whim.

Regarding the material. There is an approximate aggregate equality between 2B+P and R+N (perhaps the credit goes to Suetin for this, but it could also be an old russian folklore). So, if in fact relying on that identity, Geller was not even living that dangerously.

Finally, Korchnoi reports that, in his younger days, he was too attached to material. He credits Bronstein for leading him a more enlighted, spiritual, dynamic style of play (forgive me the pun). I wonder whether this game came before Korchnoi's enlightment, during, or after?

Apr-29-04  AdrianP: I guess the reasoning behind recapturing with the B rather than the g-pawn is (i) it allows B to pile up on the c-file with gain of tempo; and (ii) if B needs to open up the g-file (which is usually why one recaptures with the g-pawn), he can use the white pawn on f3 to do so. Unusually, for a KID, for much of the time Black's light square bishop is stronger than his dark-square one - white has some significant light square weaknesses, because of the loss of his light squared bishop and the exchange of the e-pawn.
Apr-30-04  ughaibu: AdrianP: black normally recaptures with the pawn primarily to keep pieces out of e4 and to maintain pawn mobility.
Jan-04-10  M.D. Wilson: Despite Bronstein's example, Gypsy, I don't think Korchnoi ever abandoned his materialist bent.
Oct-30-14  tranquilsimplicity: <Ughaibu> <If Black had lost the annotators would have the facility to readily criticise this recapture without actually considering it's real merits.> Not only does this statement apply to Chess, in my view, it applies to everything.

And then you continue with your comments in the same paragraph or post absolutely beautifully. These are the most perceptive words I have ever read on this site. I agree with you totally!

<M.D.Wilson> On Korchnoi; "Old habits die hard". And I am indeed content that the philosophy of anti-materialism triumphed, brains over brawn, quality over quantity.#

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