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Robert Sobel vs Robert James Fischer
Canadian Open (1956), Montreal CAN, rd 2, Aug-26
Indian Game: King's Indian. Fianchetto Variation (A49)  ·  1-0

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Dec-31-02  skakmiv: 24..Qxh4?? was a big mistake... Did Fischer really play it?
Dec-31-02
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  Sneaky: Well, he was only 12 years old here.
Dec-31-02  ughaibu: At 12 years old, compare with Morphy? Capablanca?
Dec-31-02  PVS: Fischer was not among the better twelve year olds in chess history. He was probably the strongest fifteen year old, but in his words, he did not "get good" until sometime after he was twelve.
Dec-31-02  judokausa1: What else was he supposed to do besides 24...Qxh4? Every other move lost material. My guess is that he did see the entire line but was forcing Sobel to play it out correctly.

It seems that his problems began with 20... Nf6?! (perhaps 20... Qf6 would be better?)

21. ..Qf5? and definitly 22... d6?? is the losing move.

Jan-01-03  Bears092: Didn't he learn to play when he was 10-11?
Jan-01-03  ughaibu: I think he learned to play at 6, but I maybe wrong.
Feb-06-03  Argull: Yes he learned to play when he was 6 (1949) and he played his first game (a simultaneous against Max Pavey MI) when he was 8 (1951)
Feb-07-03  drukenknight: why not 26..Kxh7
Feb-07-03  ughaibu: Nf6 wins the queen.
Feb-07-03  drukenknight: Actually it looks like Bobby is outplaying the guy in the opening, how about: 17... Rxd5 18 Nf4 Bh6 or 18 Nc3 Rh5 threatens the Q check.

In his early days, Bobby seemed enamored of that Bh3 to trade off Bishops. In this opening it just seems to slow down blacks game, I dont like the Q on c8 here. Fischer seemed to make a science of this B swap in many of the closed openings. But I dont think he would have done that when he reached maturity. He would have kept the position as complicated as possible and avoiding the exchanges.

Feb-07-03  Cyphelium: After 17.- Rxd5 18. Nf4, 18. - Bh6 does not look very good, since white can just take the rook:

19. Nxd5 Bxc1 20. Nxe7+ Kf8 21. Nxc8 Bxb2, and now since white seems to be unable to get out his knight after, say, 22. Ra2 Be5, he can chose to play 22. Nd6 Bxa1 23. Rxa1 when he is a solid pawn up.

Feb-07-03  drukenknight: cyph. you have a good pt, I did not see the fork on e7 but what about:

17... Rxd5 18 Nf4 Rc5

Feb-08-03  Cyphelium: Looks ok. Som maybe 18. Sf4 is not so good nad should be replaced by, say, 18. c4?
Aug-11-03
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  The Long Diagonal: Erm... shouldn't this opening actually be classified as Pirc? Or is it called "King's Indian without c4" because Pirc was not yet known as an independent opening in 1956?
Aug-11-03
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  chessgames.com: What position in this game is a common Pirc position?
Oct-15-03  zorro: This is not even a Pirc but a Sicilan Dragon. After 6. Nc3 Fisher has the choice for either a Pirc with moves like 6. Nc6, 6. c6, 6. e5, or a Dragon, and he chooses the latter. Here's the line in the Opening Explorer
Oct-15-03
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  Eggman: For the record, Fischer was not 12 (as stated here) but 13 years (and 5 months) old when this game was played. This game took place only two months before his very famous "game of the century" victory over Donald Byrne.
Aug-28-04  wall: 25...Qg5 looks like the only move since 25...Qxh1+ 26.Rxh1 exd5 fails to 27.g5, winning the knight.
Jan-24-08
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  ketchuplover: I have yet to "get good". The closest I've come is watching "Get Smart" on the telly.
Feb-28-09  WhiteRook48: and to think that this was the same year as the game of the century
Jul-15-09  TheFocus: Opponent is Robert Sobel.
Jun-27-16  clement41: Convincing tactics against Bobby after ...e6?
Feb-19-19
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  wordfunph: 26.Rxh7+ olalalahhh!

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Feb-19-19
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  Honza Cervenka: 22...e6 was the decisive mistake. Instead of that 22...e5 seems to solve problems of black defense. But Sobel's 22.Nd5 was not the best move either. Instead of that 22.Rae1 gives white clear advantage. Now both Nd5 and Rxe7 are very unpleasant threats, and after 22.Rae1 Qc5 23.Nd5 black has hardly anything better than 23...Kh6 24.Nxe7 Qd4 going for ending without a Pawn.

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