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|May-02-08|| ||Whitehat1963: Defensive puzzle in what may be a well-known game (or because it was a draw, maybe not so well known) after 22...Rxb2.|
|Jan-19-09|| ||M.D. Wilson: Spassky really pushes Fischer in these series of mid-match draws, but the hole he had dug for himself earlier in the match was too deep.|
|May-04-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 4. Bxc6?!|
|Jul-16-10|| ||LIFE Master AJ: The players could have literally agrred to a draw here after 33 moves. (Why did they play on for so long?)|
I think that Byrne likened seeing these two giants play out this ending to "two kids playing in a sandbox."
|Jul-16-10|| ||kurtrichards: 22. ... Rxb2 23. Rxb2 c3! ... in my opinion is advantageous to black...|
|Apr-25-11|| ||bronkenstein: <22. ... Rxb2 23. Rxb2 c3! ... in my opinion is advantageous to black...>|
Not really , its draw all the time , and they both knew it .
Spassky even prolonged playing elementarily drawn 2 vs 1 rook ending , for , in Gligoric´s oppinnion , purely psychological reasons (due to some Fischer´s off the board demands that took part prior to this very game , I don`t remember what it was exactly ).
Shortly , Fischer had this one in controll all the time, and having , on purpose , a pawn or two less in some variations was only due to his famous will to keep complicating and looking for winning chances anywhere .
|Apr-25-11|| ||fab4: < kurtrichards: 22. ... Rxb2 23. Rxb2 c3! ... in my opinion is advantageous to black... >|
Fischer played Kf3.. what's your point?!
|Apr-26-11|| ||perfidious: <fab4: < kurtrichards: 22. ... Rxb2 23. Rxb2 c3! ... in my opinion is advantageous to black... >
Fischer played Kf3.. what's your point?!>
What's yours, other than to gratuitously put down <kurt>?
Had he, instead, begun the note with 23.Rxb2, would that occasion some other method of demeaning him?
As to the way this ending went, Black never had anything resembling serious winning chances, but needed to gain some psychological stability after the disastrous turn this match took for him, whilst Fischer was content to move one-half point nearer his life's goal by keeping his comfortable overall lead in hand.
|Apr-30-13|| ||hudapri: Spassky "used his symbolic material advantage for a little psychological torture" - Gligoric|
|Apr-30-13|| ||RookFile: Sure. Fischer couldn't complain, he did the same thing to Taimanov and actually won a drawn ending.|
|Jul-03-14|| ||Howard: The book Chess World Championship (by the late Larry Evans and Ken Smith) makes the comment at the conclusion of this game, "Finally, after a marathon of nonsense the contestents agree to a draw."|
In other words, the last 25 moves were totally unnecessary....even if one player actually managed to threaten mate-in-one at one point in the last 15 moves. Anyone see it ?
|Jul-03-14|| ||Petrosianic: It's silly to complain that a game went on too long. If you're playing a 100 move game out, and you can see at Move 50 that it's a dead draw, and can also see that that's how it ended up, then you can safely stop playing the moves. The problem with chess is games that are too short.|
|Jul-03-14|| ||Howard: If you think that it's "silly" to complain about a game going on too long, what if YOU are one of the two players and you just wanna call it a day and agree to a draw, but your over-stubborn opponent disagrees and wants to keep shoving the pieces ?|
That aforementioned book, by the way, also states that some people suspected that Spassky deliberately dragged out the game because he was getting increasing annoyed with Fischer's behavior during the match.
|Jul-03-14|| ||Petrosianic: <If you think that it's "silly" to complain about a game going on too long, what if YOU are one of the two players and you just wanna call it a day and agree to a draw, but your over-stubborn opponent disagrees and wants to keep shoving the pieces ?>|
That only applies if one player offers a draw in a dead drawn game, and the other refuses. If neither one offers a draw, as was the case in this game, where's the beef?
|Feb-10-15|| ||TangoJoseph: Magnus Carlsen plays 11...0-0 instead of 11...Nxe4 and wins a fine game vs. Kamsky in 2013|
|Feb-10-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Kamsky vs Carlsen, 2013|
|Feb-10-15|| ||Mating Net: <The problem with chess is games that are too short.> Well said <Petrosianic>|
|Mar-02-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Howard mentions the Evans & Smith book: 'Fischer Spassky Move by Move"|
They were not too impressed with the game going on and on after move 34.
Their notes to this game moves 40-41.
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Roses are red...
Violets are blue...
I can keep moving...
Longer than you.
|Mar-02-17|| ||Howard: Oh, yes, I remember that part! Since the book's purported to give a comment (and a diagram) after every single damn move in every game, the authors had to say SOMETHING after each move in the game.|
'member the part where one of the two players in this game made a "subtle threat". Tongue-in-cheek---the threat was actually extremely obvious.
|Mar-02-17|| ||Petrosianic: <That aforementioned book, by the way, also states that some people suspected that Spassky deliberately dragged out the game because he was getting increasing annoyed with Fischer's behavior during the match.>|
Maybe. Or maybe just neither one wanted to look more anxious to have the draw. It's galling to ask for a draw when a pawn down and also galling to have to offer one when you're a pawn up. In that one game (20?) didn't they even engineer a draw with neither player offering simply by having Fischer claim a 3 move repetition when there was obviously none, and Spassky signing the scoresheets while the arbiter was checking it?
|Mar-02-17|| ||Petrosianic: Now, that's one thing a lot of people do. They can be shy about asking for the draw when they, superficially, have the worst of it. Like in this game, Fischer is a pawn down on the face of it, but the game is actually equal. But being the pawn down might have made him reluctant to ask.|
What I would do in such a situation is, if I'm completely confident that the game is a draw, go ahead and offer it despite being the pawn down. But then, if the other guy refuses, I'll never offer it again. So in other words, he can either take the draw now, or he'll have to lower himself to asking for it later, after having previously declared his intention to win by refusing the first offer. IMO, it's less galling to take the first offer than to have to offer yourself later.
|Mar-02-17|| ||offramp: <Sally Simpson: ...Their notes to this game moves 40-41.>|
Well, games were normally adjourned around the 40 move mark. Was this game adjourned? Or did the players manage 60 moves in 5 hours? The latter, I'd imagine.
|Mar-02-17|| ||Petrosianic: Games were adjourned at the 5 hour mark. Normally that was just after Move 40, but not always if they played quickly.|
|Mar-02-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Offramp,
This was game 16, the players were having so much fun it was not adjourned,
The adjourned games from the '72 match were:
|Jun-20-22|| ||CapablancaDisciple: The times for this game from a website called crackteam.org:|
<<Game 16, August 20th, 1972
(ar) (0:09) (ar) (-:01)
1. e4 (0:09)
(Spassky appeared a minute before play was to begin. When Fischer arrived and played his move, Spassky had gone. He returned two minutes later.)
1. e5 (0:03)
2. Nf3 (0:09) Nc6 (0:03)
3. Bb5 (0:09) a6 (0:03)
4. Bxc6 (0:10) dxc6 (0:03)
5. 0-0 (0:10) f6 (0:04)
6. d4 (0:10) Bg4 (0:06)
7. dxe5 (0:10) Qxd1 (0:06)
8. Rxd1 (0:10) fxe5 (0:06)
9. Rd3 (0:16) Bd6 (0:06)
10. Nbd2 (0:20) Nf6 (0:07)
11. Nc4 (0:27) Nxe4 (0:11)
12. Ncxe5 (0:29) Bxf3 (0:25)
13. Nxf3 (0:31) 0-0 (0:26)
14. Be3 (0:32) b5 (0:31)
15. c4 (0:55) Rab8 (0:33)
16. Rc1 (1:06) bxc4 (0:43)
17. Rd4 (1:10) Rfe8 (0:46)
18. Nd2 (1:14) Nxd2 (0:49)
19. Rxd2 (1:14) Re4 (1:12)
20. g3 (1:25) Be5 (1:20)
21. Rcc2 (1:26) Kf7 (1:21)
22. Kg2 (1:27) Rxb2 (1:26)
23. Kf3 (1:36) c3 (1:28)
24. Kxe4 (1:36) cxd2 (1:29)
25. Rxd2 (1:36) Rb5 (1:32)
26. Rc2 (1:39) Bd6 (1:33)
27. Rxc6 (1:41) Ra5 (1:33)
28. Bf4 (1:45) Ra4+ (1:40)
29. Kf3 (1:46) Ra3+ (1:46)
30. Ke4 (1:47) Rxa2 (1:47)
31. Bxd6 (1:47) cxd6 (1:47)
32. Rxd6 (1:47) Rxf2 (1:47)
33. Rxa6 (1:47) Rxh2 (1:47)
34. Kf3 (1:51) Rd2 (1:47)
35. Ra7+ (1:58) Kf6 (1:48)
36. Ra6+ (1:58) Ke7 (1:49)
37. Ra7+ (1:58) Rd7 (1:49)
38. Ra2 (1:59) Ke6 (1:49)
39. Kg2 (2:00) Re7 (1:52)
40. Kh3 (2:02) Kf6 (1:52)
41. Ra6+ (2:05) Re6 (1:52)
42. Ra5 (2:05) h6 (1:54)
43. Ra2 (2:07) Kf5 (1:55)
44. Rf2+ (2:08) Kg5 (1:55)
45. Rf7 (2:09) g6 (1:55)
46. Rf4 (2:11) h5 (1:56)
47. Rf3 (2:13) Rf6 (1:57)
48. Ra3 (2:13) Re6 (1:59)
49. Rf3 (2:18) Re4 (1:59)
50. Ra3 (2:19) Kh6 (2:02)
51. Ra6 (2:20) Re5 (2:05)
52. Kh4 (2:25) Re4+ (2:10)
53. Kh3 (2:25) Re7 (2:10)
54. Kh4 (2:30) Re5 (2:15)
55. Rb6 (2:32) Kg7 (2:15)
56. Rb4 (2:35) Kh6 (2:16)
57. Rb6 (2:35) Re1 (2:16)
58. Kh3 (2:35) Rh1+ (2:23)
59. Kg2 (2:35) Ra1 (2:23)
60. Kh3 (2:36) Ra4 (2:23)
(ar) indicates the player’s arrival.>>
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