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| Apr-30-21 | | Joshka: <gezafan> <backhanded way to demean Fischer> This is done all the time on Bobby's page, so what else is new;-) Anyone know what the "novelty" is that would have won for Spassky according to Karpov? Got to meet Karpov once, and had I known about this, would have asked him straight off about Game 4! thanks in advance |
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Apr-30-21
 | | saffuna: <Karpov's claim that Spassky probably would have won the match if he had won game four is just another backhanded way to demean Fischer.> Fischer won the match from 0-2 down. He most likely could have won the match from 1-3 down. The result is the result. It's not science, it's a competition. |
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Apr-30-21
 | | keypusher: <Joshka: <gezafan> <backhanded way to demean Fischer> This is done all the time on Bobby's page, so what else is new;-) Anyone know what the "novelty" is that would have won for Spassky according to Karpov? Got to meet Karpov once, and had I known about this, would have asked him straight off about Game 4! thanks in advance> Going by the commentary on the previous page, the missed move is 21....Rd8, which incidentally is <not> clearly winning, according to the engines, anyway. SF 13 likes 21....Be3 best (-1.79, 43 ply). The main line runs 21....Be3 22.Nd4 Bf4 23.Nf3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Bxe5 25.c3 Rb8 26.Qe2. Not exactly a crystal-clear win. 21....Rd8 is -1.42 and 21...h5, Spassky's choice, is -1.23. There is more engine analysis posted on the previous page. The position probably looked simpler to the Soviets in 1972 than it does to us now, with silicon assistance. |
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| Dec-08-21 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Hearing the Karpov's comments, I think the wrong move wasn't 19...♖d8 20.♖d1. In my opinion, Spasski would have to follow with 20...♗c6 keeping pressure. If directly 20...♗a6 Fisher would protect with 21.♗c4 immediately, to avoid the pin. With that move there's no pin, but the threat of 22...♗xb5 followed by 23...♕xe5. Other advantage is that White cannot answer 21.♘d4? because lose the ♘. Then, after the 'textual' 21.♘d6 h5 22. ♗c4 h4 23. h3 ♗e3, is this a winning line? It threats the sequence 24... ♗f5 and 25...♕g3. I guess that things are not so easy for white. |
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| Apr-14-22 | | technical win: And whatever happened to that <john barleycorn> character, anyway? |
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Apr-14-22
 | | fredthebear: Well, he Rog'd Off, and that's the last we've heard. Certainly have to give him credit for that.
One rumor of many has it that he went on tour with Kate Bush. |
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Apr-14-22
 | | harrylime: Bobby took the foot off the gas in the latter third of the match. IOtz just how it iz
He'd been up against COLD WAR Soviet Commie cheats in chess all his life ... He just wanted the title ...and he just switched off his main engines to crusie into being a World Champion. |
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| Jun-20-22 | | CapablancaDisciple: These are the times plus a few comments for this game from a website called crackteam.org: <<Game 4, July 18th, 1972 Fischer Spassky
White Black
1. e4 (0:07) c5 (0:00)
2. Nf3 (0:07) d6 (0:00)
3. d4 (0:07) cxd4 (0:00)
4. Nxd4 (0:07) Nf6 (0:00)
5. Nc3 (0:07) Nc6 (0:00)
6. Bc4 (0:08) e6 (0:01)
7. Bb3 (0:08) Be7 (0:01)
8. Be3 (0:16) 0-0 (0:02)
9. 0-0 (0:16) a6 (0:02)
10. f4 (0:18) Nxd4 (0:03)
11. Bxd4 (0:18) b5 (0:03)
12. a3 (0:25) Bb7 (0:04)
13. Qd3 (0:25) a5 (0:07)
14. e5 (0:33) dxe5 (0:08)
15. fxe5 (0:33) Nd7 (0:09)
16. Nxb5 (0:41) Nc5 (0:11)
17. Bxc5 (0:44) Bxc5+ (0:12)
18. Kh1 (0:44) Qg5 (0:26)
19. Qe2 (0:54) Rad8 (1:03)
20. Rad1 (0:59) Rxd1 (1:10)
21. Rxd1 (0:59) h5 (1:19)
22. Nd6 (1:02) Ba8 (1:19)
23. Bc4 (1:06) h4 (1:33)
24. h3 (1:15) Be3 (1:40)
25. Qg4 (1:23) Qxe5 (1:50)
26. Qxh4 (1:28) g5 (2:00)
27. Qg4 (1:37) Bc5 (2:05)
28. Nb5 (1:48) Kg7 (2:05)
29. Nd4 (1:48) Rh8 (2:12)
30. Nf3 (1:49) Bxf3 (2:15)
31. Qxf3 (1:49) Bd6 (2:15)
32. Qc3 (1:51) Qxc3 (2:15)
33. bxc3 (1:51) Be5 (2:16)
34. Rd7 (1:56) Kf6 (2:19)
35. Kg1 (1:59) Bxc3 (2:20)
36. Be2 (2:02) Be5 (2:22)
37. Kf1 (2:05) Rc8 (2:22)
38. Bh5 (2:05) Rc7 (2:23)
39. Rxc7 (2:06) Bxc7 (2:24)
40. a4 (2:06) Ke7 (2:25)
41. Ke2 (2:08) f5 (2:28)
42. Kd3 (2:14) Be5 (2:29)
43. c4 (2:15) Kd6 (2:30)
44. Bf7 (2:16) Bg3 (2:32)
45. c5+ (2:18) 1/2-1/2
As can be seen, Fischer was 7 minutes late, and moved quickly until move 8. It looks like Spassky was quite familiar with the variation and did not start working hard until moves 19 and 20, at which point he was actually behind Fischer on time. Fischer used just over two hours for his first 40 moves, which, as we will see, was somewhat typical for him in this match. How I recorded the moves:
When a move was made, I observed the time on my watch, made the appropriate computation, and wrote down the total time taken by that player up to that point in the game. Every few moves, the black and white closed circuit TV in the playing hall and cafeteria switched to a camera view in which it was possible to see the times on the chess clock. When this happened, I could correct, if necessary, the total time used by the player who was not on the move. For this reason, these times are probably accurate to plus or minus one minute. The time control was 40 minutes in 2 1/2 hours.
The Garde chess clock was used in this match.
The clock was set to 3:27 1/2 at the start of each game. Before the days of digital quartz clocks, a player was given an extra minute for each hour at the start of the game, presumably an acknowledgment that the wind-up clocks were not completely accurate, to be sure that no one received less than the correct amount of time. However, I recorded the total time used by a player as 0:00 until the time on his clock passed 3:30. (So I can correct my note above, and state that Bobby Fischer was about 9 1/2 minutes late to this game.)> > |
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| Jul-04-22 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: 31...Rh4 32. Bb3 Rf4 33. Qd3 Rd4 34. Qf1 Bd6 35. Kg1 Qh2+ 36. Kf2 Rf4+ wins the queen 31...Rh4 32. Bd3 Bd6 33. Kg1 Qh2+ 34. Kf1 Rf4
wins the queen
31...Rh4 32. Qd3 Rd4 33. Qe2 Rxd1+ 34. Qxd1 Bd6 35. Kg1 Qh2+ 36. Kf2 Qf4+ 37. Ke1 Qh4+
wins a piece
It seems to me that white's best chance after
31...Rh4
is 32. Bf1
with the possibility of playing Qc3
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| Jul-06-22 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: After
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 Rf4
white could still play
33 Qc3
After
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 Bd6
white is forced to give up the exchange
but after
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 Bd6 33. Rxd6 Qxd6 34. Qc3+ f6 35. Qxa5 Qg3 36. Kg1 g4 37. Qa7+ Kg6 38. Qf2 I can't see a win for black |
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| Aug-15-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: Here is an interesting variation:
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 Bd6 33. Rxd6 Qxd6 34. Qc3+ f6 35. Qxa5 g4 36. Qc3 g3 37. Qf3 Rf4 38. Qe2 Qd2 winning |
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| Aug-15-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <After
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 Bd6
white is forced to give up the exchange>I overlooked 33. Qc3!
How about the following improvement for black?
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 g4 33. Qd3 Qh5 34. Kh2 Bf2 35. Qf1 g3+ 36. Kh1 Rxh3+ 37. gxh3 Qf3+ 38. Qg2 Qxd1+ 39. Qf1 Qxf1# Unfortunately,
33.Qc3 is still playable and seems to lead to a draw! |
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| Aug-15-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: Here is a variation starting with Olafsson's suggested improvement: 29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bb3 g4 34. Qd3 Bf2 35. Rf1 g3 36. Qf3 Rf4 37. Qd3 Qh5 38. Bd1 Qh8 winning But I can't see a win for black after 33. Bf1 |
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| Aug-15-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <Unfortunately,
33.Qc3 is still playable and seems to lead to a draw!> How about
31...Rh4 32. Bb3 g4 33. Qc3 Qxc3 34. bxc3 gxh3 35. g3 Rh5 36. a4 h2 37. Bc4 Bg1 38. Bb5 e5 39. Bc6 f5 ? |
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| Aug-19-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <But I can't see a win for black after 33. Bf1> After
29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bf1 g4 34. Qd3 (34. Qe2 Qg3 wins) gxh3 35. g3 (35. gxh3 Rf4 36. Bg2 Qg5 37. b4 Ba7 38. b5 Rf2 39. Qe4 Qg3 wins) Re4 36. b4 (36. Bxh3 Qh5 37. Qf1 (37. Kg2 Re2+ 38. Kf1 Qxh3+ wins) Re2 wins) Ba7 37. b5 Re3 38. Qd2 Qxg3 39. Bc4 Qf3+ 40. Kh2 Bb8+ 41. Kg1 h2+ wins |
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| Aug-19-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: I have just realised that
29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bf1 g4 34. Qd3 gxh3 35. g3 Re4 36. Bxh3 Qh5 does not work on account of
37. g4 Rxg4 38. Qf3 |
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| Aug-19-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: In the last variation,
35... Rg4 36. Bxh3 Rxg3 37. Qf1 Qh5 38. Kh2 Rxh3+ 39. Qxh3 Qxd1 40. Qg3+ leaves black a piece up but it seems that white has a draw by perpetual check! |
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| Aug-19-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: 29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bf1 g4 34. Qd3 gxh3 35. g3 Rg4 36. Bxh3 Rxg3 37. Qf1 Qe3 38. Kh2 Rg6 39. Rd3 Qe5+ 40. Kh1 Qe4+ 41. Kh2 Bg1+ 42. Qxg1 Rxg1 wins |
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| Sep-12-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: 29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bf1 g4 34. Qd3 Qf4 35. Qd2 (35. Rd2 Be3 36. Rc2 Qg3; 35. g3 Qf2 36. Bg2 gxh3 37. Bc6 h2) Be3 36. Qe1 gxh3 37. g3 (37. gxh3 Qf3+ 38. Kh2 Bf4+ 39. Kg1 Rh5 40. Bg2 Rg5 41. Qf1 Qxh3 42. Rd3 Be3+ 43. Rxe3 Qxe3+ 44. Qf2 (44. Kh2 Qg3+ 45. Kg1 Rh5 46. Qd1 Re5 47. Kf1 Rf5+ 48. Kg1 Rf2) and black is the exchange up) Qf3+ 38. Kh2 Re4 39. Rd3 Bg1+ 40. Kxg1 h2+ 41. Kxh2 Qh5+ 42. Kg2 Rxe1 43. Rd2 Re3 wins |
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| Sep-17-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: I omitted the possible defence 35. Be2:
29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bf1 g4 34. Qd3 Qf4 35. Be2 Be3 36. Qc4 Qg3 37. Bxg4 Bf4 38. Kg1 Rxg4 39. hxg4 Be3+ and mate next move |
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| Sep-21-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bb3 g4 34. Qd3 Bf2 35. Rf1 g3 36. Qf3 Rf4 37. Qd3 Qh5 38. Bd1 Qh8 winning> is not a forced line.
How about this improvement for black:
29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bb3 g4 34. Qd3 gxh3 35. gxh3 (35. g3 Rg4 36. Bc2 f5 37. Qd7+ Kh6 38. Qd2+ Kh5 39. Qd7 Qxg3 40. Qf7+ Rg6 41. Qh7+ Kg5) Re4 36. Bc4 Re3 37. Qf1 Rg3 38. Bxe6 Qxe6 39. Rd2 Rxh3+ 40. Rh2 Qe4+ 41. Qg2+ Rg3 winning |
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| Sep-21-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: If in the previous variation, white played 34. Qf1 instead of 34. Qd3: 29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. Bb3 g4 34. Qf1 Qe4 35. Kh2 Be3 36. Re1 g3+ 37. Kxg3 Qe5+ 38. Kf3 Rf4+ 39. Ke2 Rxf1 40. Rxf1 Qb5+ wins |
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| Sep-22-23 | | PhillyCheapskate: 33. g4 is probably better than 33. Bb3 |
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| Sep-24-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: Thank you for your suggestion.
After 29...Rd8 30. c3 Rh8 31. Nf3 Bxf3 32. Qxf3 Rh4 33. g4 f5 34. Rd7+ Kh6 35. Bd3 Bd6 36. Rxd6 (36. Qg2 Qe1+ 37. Bf1 fxg4 38. Rxd6 Rxh3+ 39. Kg1 Qe3+) Qxd6 white must not play 37. gxf5
because of
36 ... g4 38. Qe3+ Kh5 39. Bf1 Qd1 winning
He then has a pawn for the exchange and what looks like a draw. I am left wondering why Olafsson's suggestion was considered to be so strong for black. |
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| Sep-25-23 | | Caissanist: The Karpov interview seems to be online again, at Chess.com. Interview here: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/ge... |
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