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|Jun-25-09|| ||remolino: 29. hxg6 should do it|
|Jun-25-09|| ||carpetshark: I got the solution but instead of 32.Rg5 I would have played Qe6+, which also seems to give a winning attack to white.32.-,Kh7 would be answered with 33.Rh5 (33.-,Kg7 34.Qh6)and 32.-,Qf7 loses after 33.Qg4+ Qg7(33.-,Kh7 34.Rh5+)34.Rg5 winning the queen.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||gofer: 29 hxg6 ...
29 ...gxf2 30 Kxg2 transposes into one of the lines below, but generally in not a very different situation...
29 ... hxg6
30 Qxg6 Qg7
31 Qe6+ ...
31 ... Kh8/Kh7 32 Rh5 winning
31 ... Rf7 32 Rg5 winning
31 ... Qf7 32 Rg5 Kh8 33 Qh3+ Qh7 34 Rh5 winning
29 ... Qg7
30 gxh7 Kh8 (not Qxh7 which loses for black immediately)
31 Qxg7+ Kxh7
32 Re7+ ...
32 ... Kh6
33 Re6+ winning the bishop
32 ... Kh8
33 Kg3 winning easily
Option 4 (I think this is win, but can't categorically prove it...)
29 ... Rxf3
30 Re8+ Qxe8
31 Qxh7+ Kf8
32 g7+ Ke7
33 g8=Q+ Re7
34 Qh4+ Kd6 (stopping whites queens infiltrating black's queenside)
35 Qxg3+ Kc6
36 Qxd4 and white's position is completely safe and when the white pawns start attacking the black queen's side the two queens should quickly come into their element...
Maybe I have missed something, but it looks okay...
Time to check...
|Jun-25-09|| ||gofer: Ooops!
29 hxg6 hxg6
30 Qxg6 Qg7
31 Qe6+ Rf7
32 Rg5 ends up as a probable draw after
32 ... Qxg5
33 Qxf7 Kxf7
so I did miss it...
|Jun-25-09|| ||Eisenheim: I am happy to inform you that Carlsen told me despite missing the monday to wed. puzzle he handily solved this one, although to be honest he indicates he might have studied this game before.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||zanshin: <zooter: Any defences for black instead of playing 30...hxg6??? This is what is bothering me...is the position so lost that nothing black can do to save this position?>|
I know what you mean. Not to take anything away from this game, but the position did not feel like a puzzle to me .. more like playing out the win.
|Jun-25-09|| ||zanshin: <An Englishman: In other news, how about that USA-Spain football game today? The Yanks may yet learn how to play real football.>|
I wonder though if the public is prepared to watch it. After Shaq going to Cleveland and tonight's NBA draft, only long-time soccer (football) fans will still be talking about the 2-0 win over Spain (imho of course).
|Jun-25-09|| ||eaglewing: According to the discussion here it did not look good for Black from move 27-29 onward. Should not 26. Re1 Re8 27. Rxe5 Qd7, fighting for the e-file, be better and have given Black some drawing chances? |
Continuations might be 28. Rxe8 Qxe8 29. Ng5 Qe7 30. h5 gh 31. Qxa6 Qxg5 32. Qxb5 Qc1+ 33. Kg2 Qxc2 or 28. h5 Rxe5 29. Nxe5 Qg7 30. Qxg7 Kxg7 31. hg hg 32. Nc6 (wins the d4 pawn like expected). Any clearly better lines after 27. ... Qd7 with Re8 instead of f4?
|Jun-25-09|| ||jsheedy: I was close. I tried 29. hxg6, gxf2+, 30. Kf1?!, hxg6, 31. Qxg6+, Qg7, 32. Qe6+, Qf7, 33. Rg5+, Kh8, 34. Qh6+, Qh7, 35. Qxh7#. I haven't actually played this out, only mentally, so I may have missed something. The 30. Kf1 hides the King so the Knight's not pinned and has potential mobility to e5 or g5. But, as usual, Bobby's moves were more efficient!|
|Jun-25-09|| ||randomsac: This was a pretty intense puzzle. nice finish by Fischer.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||hedgeh0g: This seems a bit more like a "regular" game continuation than a puzzle to me, but a nice finish nonetheless.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||Patriot: The first thing to notice is the knight on f3 hanging (and of course the loose bishop on a6). But sometimes the best way to deal with a threat is to ignore it!|
29.hxg6! Rxf3 30.Re8+! Qxe8 31.Qxh7+ Kf8 32.g7+ Ke7 33.g8/Q+ and 34.Qxe8+ should win easily.
But as <FSR> and "MAJ" points out, 29...Qg7 is best and probably the toughest resistance.
It seems ironic that beginners lose pieces because they don't see that a piece is hanging. As they learn tactics they learn to hold onto their pieces better. And when they get really good, they lose pieces on purpose!
|Jun-25-09|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: White is a pawn down, but the black king is in greater jeopardy because of the strongly placed queen coordinating with rook and h-pawn. White clearly has one forcing move to investigate first: |
The primary threat is 30.gxh7+ Qxh7 31.Rg5+. Black can try:
A) 29... Rxf3 30.Re8+! Qxe8 31.Qxh7+ Kf8 32.g7+ Ke7 33.g8/Q+ Rf7 34.Qh4+ Kd7 35.Q4g4+ Kd8 36.Q4g5+ Re7 37.Q5xd5+ Kf7 38.Qxg3+ Kc8 39.Qa8+ Kd7 40.Qa7+ Kd8 (else Qxa6+) 41.Q3b8+ Bc8 42.Qb6+ Rc7 43.Qxc7#
A.1) 34... Qe3 35.Qxf7+
A.2) 36... Kd7 37.Qxd5+ Ke7 38.Qe5+
A.3) 37... Rd7 38.Qxe8+ Kxe8 39.Qe6+ picks up the loose bishop
A.4) 37... Kc8 38 Qc6+ wins
A.5) 38... Kb6 39.Q3d6+ Ka7 40.Q5c5+ Kb7 41.Q6b6+ Ka8 42.Qxa6+ etc
B) 29... hxg6 30.Qxg6+ Qg7 31.Qe6+ Qf7 32.Rg5+ Kh8 (Kh7 33.Qh3+) 33.Qh6+ Qh7 34.Qxf8+ Qg8 35.Qxg8#
B.1) 31... Kh8 32.Rh5+ wins
B.2) 31... Rf7 32.Rg5 gxf2+ 33.Kf1 wins
C) 29... Qg7 30.gxh7+ Kh8 31.Qxg7+ (Qxa6?? Qg4) Kxg7 32.Rg5+ Kxh7 33.Rxg3 Rf4 34.Ng5+ Kh6 35.Ne6 Rh4 36.Nc7 and white picks up the b-pawn and eventually the e-pawn.
D) 29... gxf2+ 30.Kf1! and now:
D.1) 30... Rxf3 31.Re8+ is similar to A
D.2) 30... hxg6 31.Qxg6+ is similar to B
D.3) 30... Qg7 31.gxh7+ Kh8 (Kc7? 32.Re7+) 32.Qxg7+ Kxg7 33.Re7+ Kh8 34.Kxf2 Bc8 35.Kg3 and black can't stop Nxd4
D.3.1) 33... Kf6 34.Ra7 Bc8 35.Kxf2 followed by Kg3 is even worse for black - the black rook must stay on the 8th rank and many pawns fall.
D.3.2) 33... Kg6 34.h8/Q Rxh8 35.Re6+ wins immediately
A lot of work for a Thursday! I hope I haven't missed something simpler. Time to see what transpired...
|Jun-25-09|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: Yes, 32.Rg5! saves a lot of effort - I missed it.
<jsheedy:> <I was close. I tried 29. hxg6, gxf2+, 30. Kf1?!,...>
We thought along the same lines.
|Jun-25-09|| ||Fusilli: <jsheedy: I was close. I tried 29. hxg6, gxf2+, 30. Kf1?!, hxg6, 31. Qxg6+, Qg7, 32. Qe6+, Qf7, 33. Rg5+, Kh8, 34. Qh6+...>|
I went for 30.Kf1 too, and I think it wins. In your line above, instead of 34. Qh6+, 34.Qh3+ wins. And if black plays 32...Rf7, then 33.Rg5 wins because the knight is not pinned. I missed the simpler win that Fischer played because I didn't see his final winning move. This has probably been discussed already, but I am not going through the three pages of kibitzing right now... just taking a quick break from work.
|Jun-25-09|| ||agb2002: Black has B+P for N and threatens 29... Qh3 30.Re7 gxf2+ 31.Kxf2 Rxf3+ and mate soon. However, his king is not safe. Therefore, 29.hxg6:|
A) 29... Rxf3 30.Re8+ Qxe8 31.Qxh7+ Kf8 32.g7+ Ke7 (32... Kf7 33.g8=Q+ Kf6 34.Qhg5#) 33.Qhe6+ Kd8 34.Qd6+ Kc8 35.Qxe8+ Kb7 36.Qeb8#.
B) 29... hxg6 30.Qxg6+ Qg7 (30... Kh8 31.Rh5 Qh7 32.Qxh7#) 31.Qe6+
B.1) 31... Qf7 32.Rg5+ Kh7 (32... Kh8 33.Qh6+ Qh7 34.Qxf8+ Qg8 35.Qxg8#) 33.Qh3+ Qh5 34.Qxh5#.
B.2) 31... Rf7 32.Rg5 gxf2+ 33.Kf1 (33.Kxf2 Qxg5 34.Qxf7+ Kxf7 35.Nxg5+ Kf6 36.Nf3 looks winning but much slower) Bb7 34.Rxg7+ Kxg7 35.Nxd4 + -.
B.3) 31... Kh7 32.Rh5+ Qh6 33.Rxh6+ Kg7 34.Qg6#.
B.4) 31... Kh8 32.Rh5+ Qh7 33.Rxh7+ Kxh7 34.Ng5+ Kg7 35.Qxa6 + -.
C) 29... Qg7 30.gxh7+
C.1) 30... Qxh7 31.Rg5+ Kf7 (31... Kh8 32.Qxf8+ Qg8 33.Qxg8#; 31... Qg7 32.Qxg7#) 32.Qxh7+ + -.
C.2) 30... Kf7 31.Qe6#.
C.3) 30... Kh8 31.Qxg7+ Kxg7 32.Rg5+ Kxh7 33.Rxg3 with a won endgame. For example, 33... Rf4 34.Ng5+ Kh6 35.Ne6 Rh4 36.Nc7 Bc8 37.Nxb5.
D) 29... gxf2+ 30.Kf1 Qg7 (29... Rxf3 and 29... hxg6 yield the same results) 31.hxg7+ Kh8 32.Qxg7+ Kxg7 33.Rh5 followed by Ne5(or Nh4) and Ng6. If 33... Kg6 34.h8=Q wins.
Perhaps the rook maneuver in line D looks stronger than that in line C.3.
|Jun-25-09|| ||Geronimo: No more comments on the puzzle, which stumped me.
But something for <An Englishman> Shades of Stanley Matthews perhaps? (England v. USA 0-1, 1950 World Cup, greatest upset in football history.)
Comment at the time: "Maybe those yanks may yet learn to play real football...." ;)
|Jun-25-09|| ||agb2002: Also in line D, if 33... Rh8 34.Kxf2 Rxh7 35.Rxh7+ Kxh7 36.Nxd4 wins because the white king will go to d4 and invade Black's queen side.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||johnlspouge: Thursday (Medium):
Fischer vs U Geller, 1968 (29.?)
White to play and win.
Material: N for B+P. The Black Kg8 has 2 legal moves. The Black Ba6 is loose and woefully out of play, effectively making White a N up. The White Qh6 x-rays Ba6 through Pg6. The White Re5 has invasion points at e7 and e8. The White Nf3 can enter the Black K-position at g5 to attack Ph7. The Ph5 attacks g6, again then attacking Ph7. Black has a counter-attack, with Rf8 attacking the loose Nf3, Pg3 threatening 29…gxf2, and Qd7 able to enter the White K-position at g4 or h3. The White Kg1 is immediately vulnerable to …gxf2 and has a precarious position.
Candidates (29.): hxg6
(threatening 30.gxh7+ Qxh7 [Kh8 Qxf8+] 31.Rg5+, winning Rf8 or Qh7)
The move 29.hxg6 has both offensive and defensive qualities, because Qh6 now protects the invasion point at h3.
(1) 29…Rxf3 30.Re8+ Qxe8 31.Qh7+ Kf8 32.g7+ Kf7 [or Ke7] 33.g8=Q+
33…Kd8 [else, drop Qe8] 34.Qxe8+ Kxe8 35.Qh5+
White picks up Rf3, winning easily.
(2) 29…hxg6 30.Rg5 (threatening 31.Rxg6+ or 31.Qxg6+ etc.)
30…Rf7 [Rf6 31.Rxg6+ Rxg6 32.Qxg6+ then 33.Qxa6]
31.Rxg6+ Rg7 32.Rxg7+ Qxg7 33.Qxa6
The White Kg1 is safe, because the insecure Black K permits the White Qa6 to return to defense after check. Thus, to interpose …gxf2+ has no venom.
(3) 29…Qg7 30.gxh7+ Kh8 [Qxh7 31.Rg5+] 31.Qxg7+ Kxg7
32.Rg4+ Kxh7 33.Rxg3
White is a P up.
(4) 29…exf2+ 30.Kxf2 Qg7 31.gxh7+ Kh8 [Qxh7 32.Rg5+] 32.Qxg7+ Kxg7
32.Rh4 Rh8 [Kh8 is worse] 33.Nxd4
White is a P up with a superior endgame.
According to <MAJ>'s computer analysis, 32.Rh4 is inferior to 32.Re7+, but I am amazed the endgame is supposed to be so decisive for White. (I am currently on vacation, with no computer analysis immediately available to me.)
|Jun-25-09|| ||njchess: A few options for White, but there really is only one serious candidate move, 29. hxg6.|
29. hxg6 Qg7 (29. ... hxg6? 30. Qxg6+ Qg7 31. Rg5! or 29. ... Rxf3? 30. Re8+ Qxe8 31. Qh7+ Kf8 32. g7+ Ke7 33. g8=Q+ Qf7 ) 30. gxh7+ Kh8 (30. ... Qxh7?? 31. Rg5+ Kh8 32. Qxf8+ Qg8 33. Qxg8++) 31. Qxg7+ Kxg7 32. Re7+ Kh8
I suspect Black resigned rather than play out this position. This was typical of Fischer's play i.e. remove the defenders and expose the opposition's king to potential mating threats. I doubt Bobby missed this one. Time to check.
Black doesn't find the best defense, but given the pressure Fischer applied throughout the match, I suspect Black may have been having some time trouble by move 29.
17. Bxd5!? and 25. Be5! are typical Fischer moves. Fischer methodically works his pieces forward, opening up the closed position to his advantage. Nicely played.
|Jun-25-09|| ||lzromeu: This game needs pun. How about "Fischer's Uzi"
Fischer ever atacks bullet by bullet, square by square, slowly and deadly. And did not forget the a6-lost-bishop.
My player number one
(Uzi is a submachine gun)
<englishman> Fischer (USA) was invencible in spanish game.
|Jun-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: missed the win against Geller's supposed brother|
|Jun-25-09|| ||zanshin: I thought that White had a choice of winning lines, but maybe I was wrong. Rybka 3 top two lines:|
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[+3.05] d=17 29.hxg6 Qg7 30.gxh7 Kh8 31.Qxg7 Kxg7 32.Re7 Kh8 33.Kg2 gxf2 34.Kxf2 Bc8 35.Kg3 Bf5 36.Nxd4 Bxh7 37.Nxb5 a4 38.b3 axb3 39.axb3 Rb8 40.Nd4 Rb4 41.Ne2 Bg8 (0:17.00) 59630kN
[+0.47] d=16 29.Ng5 gxf2 30.Kf1 Rf6 31.hxg6 Rxg6 32.Qh5 Bc8 33.Kxf2 Bb7 34.Nf3 Qf7 35.Qh4 Qf6 36.Qxf6 (0:15.37) 54907kN
|Jun-25-09|| ||hedgeh0g: Coincidentally, the name of the player with the black pieces is strikingly similar to that of Michael Jackson's close friend: Uri Geller.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||TheBish: Fischer vs U Geller, 1968|
White to play (29.?) "Medium"
Material: White is down a pawn, and Black is threatening 29...Rxf3.
Candidate moves: hxg6. This is the only try that seems worth looking at, if it works. If it doesn't work, back to the drawing board!
29. hxg6! It turns out this does work, since 29...Rxf3 30. Re8+! Qxe8 31. Qxh7+ Kf8 32. g7+ Ke7 (or 32...Kf7 33. g8=Q+ Kf6 34. Qxe8) 33. g8=Q+ Rf7 (Qf7 is similar) 34. Qh4+ Kd7 35. Qxe8+ Kxe8 36. fxg3 followed by winning the d4 pawn, and White wins easily. Other replies for Black:
A) 29...hxg6 30. Qxg6+ Qg7 31. Qxg7+ Kxg7 32. Rg5+ Kh6 33. Rxg3 and White is a pawn up in the endgame. This is actually very easy, since forced is 33...Rf4 (33...Rc8 34. Nxd4) 34. Rh3+ Kg6 35. Kg2 Bc8 36. Rh4 Rxh4 (or 36...Bg4 37. Ne5+ Kg5 38. Rxg4+ Rxg4+ 39. Nxg4 Kxg4 40. f3+ Kf4 41. Kf2 and White wins the K+P endgame) 37. Nxh4+ Kf6 38. Nf3 and the d4 drops, and with a two pawn advantage the finish is easy.
B) 29...Qg7 30. gxh7+ Kh8 (not 30...Qxh7?? 31. Rg5+) 31. Qxg7+ Kxg7 and now 32. Rg5+ Kxh7 33. Rxg3 is similar to A, but even better might be 32. Re7+ Kh8 33. Kg2 gxf2 34. Kxf2 followed by 35. Kg3 and 36. Nxd4. Either way wins!
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