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Robert James Fischer vs Robert Burger
"Well Done, Burger" (game of the day Nov-08-2014)
Analysis (1964) (probably analysis)
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Fritz Variation (C57)  ·  0-1

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Aug-18-15
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  Phony Benoni: We need to establish some details about this game.

The "Analysis" designation appears to be based on the information available in 2002 (see the first few kbitized on page 1). Much has come to light since then. <crawfb5>'s kibitz from 2008:

Fischer vs R Burger, 1963 (kibitz #69)

And <malthrope>'s reminiscence from 2009:

Fischer vs R Burger, 1963 (kibitz #83)

appear to establish the authenticity o the game, though any newer information would be welcome.

Also, there seem to be questions about the exact score (as pointed out by <crawfb5> and others. Is there new information that can settle this question?

Also, there is a very similar game in this variation:

Fischer vs D Allan, 1964

which Fischer won. That game appears to have been played about six weeks before the attributed date of this game, meaning Burger would have had time to study the Allan game and make preparations.

Aug-19-15
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  Tabanus: <PB> http://www.chessdryad.com/articles/..., page 111 says game ended 11...exd4 12.Qxf7 Nf6 0-1

365Chess: http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...

Aug-19-15
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  Tabanus: And this game needs a correction: Fischer vs R Burger, 1963.
Aug-19-15
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  Tabanus: I updated it to 13 April 1964, which seems to be when Fischer held this simul in San Francisco.

Cf. http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/...

Aug-19-15  Mudphudder: So what was this? A simul or just an analysis game?
Aug-19-15
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  Phony Benoni: <Mudphudder> <Tabanus>'s link goes the "California Chess Reporter", May 1964. On p.111, as part of the Games Section, there is a short article about simuls Fischer played in Califnonia, including a game he lost to Robert E. Burger in San Francisco.

The Games Editor, by the way, was Robert E. Burger. Ahem!

The good news is that <Sneaky> and <cg> appear to have gotten ir right back in 2002. The score that appears on this page appears to be analysis.

It's just not analysis of Fischer - Burger.

The score given in CCR agrees with this one up to Black's 11th move:

<1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nd4 6.c3 b5 7.Bf1 Nxd5 8.cxd4 Qxg5 9.Bxb5+ Kd8 10.Qf3 Bb7 11.0-0>


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Now the actual game concluded <11...exd4 12.Qxf7?? Nf6!>, and White resigned due to the threats of ...Qxg2#, ...Qxb5, and ...Bd5 winning the queen.

Now the game from Montreal six weeks earlier, Fischer vs D Allan, 1964, more closely follows the score we have here, though it varies a move earlier with <10...e4>L However, after <11.Qxe4 Bd6 12.0-0 Bd7, 13.d3> we have transposed back to the line on this page.


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And Allan played <13...Nf4>, missing the importance of the interpolation 13...Bxh2+.

So it would seem the version on this page was analysis of the line from Fischer - Allan, or possibly yet another game that somehow became associated with Fischer - B urger.I remember seeing the long version in Irving Chernev's 1974 book, Wonders and Curiosities of Chess", so something happened in the intervening decade.

Mar-16-16  luftforlife: Several members have mentioned 13. . . . Bxh2 as a winning move for Black:

<keypusher>, on Mar-25-05 (Fischer vs R Burger, 1964 (kibitz #31));

<AylerKupp>, on Jul-19-15 (Fischer vs R Burger, 1964 (kibitz #134) and Fischer vs R Burger, 1964 (kibitz #135)); and

<Phony Benoni>, on Aug-19-15 (Fischer vs R Burger, 1964 (kibitz #141)).

Also, <tabanus> linked to Tim Krabbé's Open Chess Diary Entry No. 261, from October 10, 2004, entitled "Two small mysteries," which features analysis of Bxh2 as a winning move:

http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/....

On his weblog "Tankeboxen," in his entry "Burger til Bobby" from February 2001, Søren Dippel (whose helpful contributions early in this thread were duly recognized) iterated another winning line emanating from 13. . . . Bxh2:

"13. . . . Bxh2 14. Kh1 Bf4 15. Bxf4 Nxf4 16 Qxb7 Qh5+ 17. Kg1 Ne2#." (piece designations transliterated, annotations omitted).

I leave aside all questions about the provenance or the realistic likelihood of emergence of the proffered line and simply submit it here as an analytical alternative.

Here's the link:

https://tankeboxen.wordpress.com/ta...

P.S.: Other issues raised by the blog entry have been addressed and resolved above in the comprehensive and groundbreaking commentary, which is historically authoritative. Superlative research by estimable members is interlarded with valuable first-person accounts from primary sources. This is <cg> at its best.

Jun-27-16  BobbyDigital80: This "game" should not be in the database. If they want this analysis to be seen, why not include it in the actual game? Fischer vs R Burger, 1964
Apr-29-19  Burger7: Robert Burger is my father.
I would like to point out a few things about this 'game'. Fischer was playing at least 30 others in a Simul My Dad knew Fischer fairly well, as he and 'Mac' Maclain had taken him under their wing when he was just a teenager traveling to SF for a big tournament in the late 50's. Fischer did congratulate my Dad when he saw he'd lost. This was no fluke. My Father was a Master, and only because he had to work double to support 10 children Oh, and it is a fact that he was at Harrington's Bar, having a few when he was coaxed to take part in the Simul - so it wasn't Fischer that was drunk!
Apr-29-19
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  harrylime: Is this game a simul ?
Apr-29-19
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  harrylime: Just seen above post by Burger7 ! lol

Nice one Burger7 lovely post .. and speaking for myself as a Fischer fanatic I'm very much aware of your dad x

Apr-29-19
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  harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST ever chess player. Just sayin loike lol
Apr-29-19  Petrosianic: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST ever chess player. Just sayin loike lol>

Then why do you hate him so much lol? And why were you dumb enough to admit it lololol?

Apr-29-19
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  harrylime: <Petrosianic: <harrylime: Robert Fischer is the GREATEST ever chess player. Just sayin loike lol> Then why do you hate him so much lol? And why were you dumb enough to admit it lololol?>

ARE YOU STILL ALIVE ??! lol lol

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Mar-31-20  Ediciones3jaques: In the magazine "Ajedrez revista Mensual" of September 1979 Number 305 Volume XXVI, page 509 Editorial Sopena Argentina S.A. It gives the following data of this line of play: San Francisco 1963
In simultaneous
Fischer vs Burges
13... Bxh2+ 14.Kxh2 Nf4!
Sep-15-20  login:

'.. Last night [13 Apr 1964] Fischer moved decisively in the middle of a big L lined with 50 chess boards and 50 chess players. Thirteen moves along Fischer lost to 22-year-old Bob Berger, an advertising man from Lafayette and one of the top players in the Mechanics Institute Chess Club [the oldest chess club in the US].

Then in rapid succession Fischer copped three victories as he moved through his third of some 40 exhibitions on a current nationwide tour. ..'

from 'Chess - 50 Against 1', The San Francisco Examiner, 14 Apr 1964, p.3


'Bobby Fischer and the Mechanics’ Institute Chess Club'

by John William Donaldson

https://www.milibrary.org/blog/bobb...

Nov-28-20  cameosis: the caption should actually read: burger, well done.
Nov-28-20
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  scutigera: Turf Eats Surf.
Nov-28-20
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  scutigera: And I don't know why people object to analysis, composed games, studies or problems being in the database, as long as everything is clearly labeled. Perhaps a "super-advanced search" could offer filters that would let such people see only the kind of games they like, or for that matter would let problem junkies see only problems. I know I'd like to find a searchable database of studies.
Apr-08-21  FSTIMJP: So, it is confirmed. Fischer did play and lose to Burger in 1964, but these were not the game moves. "A Legend on the Road: Bobby Fischer's 1964 Simul Tour" has the whole story together with the game.
Sep-16-21  Gaito: As far as I have found out, this game really happened, it was not analysis or anything. It did happen. There were witnesses. I understand that many kibitzers worship Bobby as a hero who can never do anything wrong. But I knew a witness who told me that this game really happened, and Bobby Fischer blinked after 14...Nf4!, shook his opponent's hand and said: "Gee, terrific!"
Sep-20-21  Gaito: Almost all great players had sometimes terrible disasters in simultaneous exhibitions. Even Tal, Capablanca, Alekhine, and Kasparov were sometimes drastically beaten in simultaneous displays in astounding miniatures. A game lost by Tal in simultaneous by an unknown opponent who "played like Tal" can be found in this link: Tal vs J G van Eybergen, 1959 There is a famous quotation by Bent Larsen:
"A grandmaster once a year will play like a patzer, and a patzer once a year will play like a grandmaster".
Sep-20-21  RookFile: I'm not sure who Harry thinks the best player is.
Sep-20-21
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  perfidious: Depending on the time of the month, Fischer is the GOAT or the worst ever in the magical fantasy world of <harryslime>.
Sep-23-21  Gaito: Another famous GM crushed by an amateur in a simultaneous dispay can be seen in this link: Reshevsky being chekmated in nine moves! Reshevsky vs Z Margalit, 1958
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