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Robert James Fischer vs Reuben Fine
"A Fine Line" (game of the day Apr-03-2018)
New York (1963), New York, NY USA, Mar-??
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Compromised Defense (C52)  ·  1-0

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Apr-03-18
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  HeMateMe: The h4-d8 line was not a fine line for Fine!

Interesting where chess players turn up during WWII

<During World War II, Fine worked for the U.S. Navy, analyzing the probability of German U-boats surfacing at certain points in the Atlantic Ocean. Fine also worked as a translator>

five wives!

<Fine married five times, all but one ending in divorce. He had two biological children and one stepson>

Why bother marrying at all if you're more interested in your work than your marriage?

Considering that Fine was largely retired from chess for ten years before this game was played, it should not have been included in M60MG. It looks like a simul.

Apr-03-18  jith1207: <Rueben Fine's very fine win percentage>

Fischer beating Fine 3-0 is probably the difference between Fischer's 72.3% and Fine's 71.8% ?

Fine had only 65 losses in his career...!

Apr-03-18  Ironmanth: A classic miniature. We all need to memorize this one! Y'all have a great day.
Apr-03-18  eyalbd: I've never understood why this game was included in MSMG, considering it was a blitz and very one sided.

Fischer played many better games in the period of the book.

Apr-03-18
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  Retireborn: It's called my 60 memorable games, not my 60 best games, though. And Fine was probably a bigger name in Fischer's mind than he is in ours today.
Apr-03-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: If Fine had won AVRO today, a great many posters here at CG would be tipping him as having a chance to unseat Carlsen this year; as matters stand, for many he scarcely exists outside this game, a notable win from Botvinnik at AVRO and his work on openings. Perhaps a reason for this is that Fine's style, while technically superb, lacked one clear-cut outstanding quality, fine all-rounder that he was.
Apr-03-18  cunctatorg: An "Electrotherapy" according to Bobby!!...
Apr-03-18  morfishine: Can't fault any player for pursuing another professional career choice
Apr-03-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <eyalbd> If you understood Fischer, then you would understand why the game was included.
Apr-03-18  morfishine: Blitz & Bullet chess games are not worth the time spent analyzing, period. However, these are no doubt fun, if for no other reason than the comical picture of grown men pounding expensive clocks to the point of breaking

On the other hand, besides being fun, rapid games can provide some value analytically

*****

Apr-03-18  Howard: How this ridiculously lopsided "contest" became GOTD is beyond me.

Retireborn, if you're reading this, what do YOU think. I respect your postings.

Apr-03-18
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  Retireborn: Howard, I'm just another patzer and my opinions are no more respectable than anybody else's! Although everybody should be perusing my nuggets of wisdom with great care, obviously.

I have never followed GOTD and have no idea what the criteria are. If it had to be Fischer-Fine game I would have selected the lesser-known game which Fine won.

Having said that, I have this Evans in my own collection of annotated games, so can't really criticise anybody for liking it.

Apr-03-18  Howard: Didn't know that there was a "lesser known" game involving FIne and Fischer.
Apr-03-18  Sally Simpson: I think this one may be the game Retireborn is talking about.

Fine vs Fischer, 1963

Apr-03-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Retireborn: "Lesser known" = "not in my 60 mg", really. But I think it's an interesting foreshadowing of the problems with the Gruenfeld that Bobby would have against Spassky and Petrosian.

I used to play the Gruenfeld a lot myself. The ideas are beautiful, the results not always.

Apr-03-18  Grandma Sturleigh: <<HeMateMe> Considering that Fine was largely retired from chess for ten years before this game was played, it should not have been included in M60MG. It looks like a simul.>

Fischer vs O Celle, 1964 (game 50 in 60MG) actually was from a simul.

Apr-03-18
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  FSR: <jith1207: . . . Fischer beating Fine 3-0 is probably the difference between Fischer's 72.3% and Fine's 71.8% ?>

If you look at the fine print underneath the players' winning percentages, you'll see that <exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.>

Apr-04-18  The Kings Domain: Two eccentric Americans and a memorable miniature. Ably handled by Fischer with this gem. Both sides took some deviations with the Evans and Fischer unsurprisingly had the final say.
Apr-05-18  Sally Simpson: Pages 10-13 of this thread started by kingscrusher is really good and informative reading.

It exemplifies the main idea and value of this site.

Jun-14-18
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  Penguincw: Video analysis of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADU....
Oct-26-18  Goldrider: First of all, there has been much discussion about whether 17. Qb2 or other moves (besides the 17. Qg3 that was played) are good.

According to Stockfish, 17. Qg3! is the best move, forcing mate in eight moves (e.g. 17. Qg3 Qe7 18. Rxe7 d6 19. Rxf7 Ke8 20. Qf3 Bc3 21. Re1+ Bxe1 22. Qf6 Bxf2+ 23. Kxf2 Bf5 24. Qe7#)

17. Qb2 also is a good move, but nine moves are needed before mate is delivered.

All other posible moves on white’s 17th turn give Black equality and should be marked with “?”

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It was 15. ... Rg8 which lost the game for black; after that move, White is able to force mate within 10 moves, regardless of black’s replies.

Putting either rook on the e1 square starts the mating sequence for white.

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14. ... Qxh4 was also a mistake. Qg6, Qg4, Qh6, or Qe7 are all better moves for black.

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9 ... Nf6 is the first novelty move in this game; no other game in my database has Black continue with that move (other moves tried here are 9. ... Bxc3, which is Stockfish’s favorite move and 9 .... Qb4 which has only been played once [White won] and which Stockfish doesn’t like as much. Stockfish also likes 9. ... d6.)

Aug-09-19  DonChalce: Fine not doing fine here is expected though.
Apr-17-20  MordimerChess: That's true 17. Qg3! is more precise move. It's simple, and check mate is faster. However 17. Qb2 is also winning.

But there are more interesting aspects on the position after: 14. h4!

If black keep an eye on g7 and e3 and play Qh6, white can win but it's gonna be more complicated, for example: 14...Qh6 15. Rae1+ Bxe1 16. Rxe1+ Kd8 17. d6 cxd6 18. Bxf7 Rf8 19. Bd4 d5 20. Qxd5 Qf4 21. Be3 Qxf7 22. Bg5+ Qf6 23. Bxf6+ Rxf6 24. Qg8+ winning

But how about Qe7 with idea of double control of e1 square? It's more difficult to win now, but it's still winning for white in the endgame:

14...Qe7 15. Bxg7 Rg8 16. d6 cxd6 17. Bc3 Bxc3 18. Qxc3 Rg6 19. Qh8+ Qf8 20. Rfe1+ Re6 21. Qxh7 b6 22. Bxe6 dxe6 23. Qe4 Rb8 24. Qc6+ Bd7 25. Qc7 and white should win but as you see it's more complicated :)

Full analysis in video:
https://youtu.be/YQBIkEhPYRQ

Enjoy the Evans Gambit, always fun :)

Apr-17-20
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  harrylime: Bobby was and is in the fine NEW WORLD order in chess

Morphy, Capa , Bobby

Feb-17-21
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  kingscrusher: I love the fact that this offhand blitz game/ skittles game gets so much attention and in so many people's collections :)
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