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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Mikhail Chigorin
"Good Wil Hunting" (game of the day Apr-06-2018)
Steinitz - Chigorin World Championship Rematch (1892), Havana CUB, rd 4, Jan-07
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense (C65)  ·  1-0

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Aug-12-14
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  Phony Benoni: <Petrosianic> I'm sure no actual resemblance between Steinitz and Williams is meant. The pun is based simply on the similarity between Steinitz's name and the title of the film for which Williams received an Oscar.

Were Williams granted grandmaster strength and admitted to the Chess Pantheon, the only player I can imagine enjoying a game with him would be La Bourddnnais. Possibly Tal, but I don't get the same sort of vibes from him, and imagine he would quickly want to return to the pleasures of playing Korchnoi.

Aug-12-14
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  tamar: Only a few players have had Robin Williams' manic mode. La Bourdonnais, as mentioned, and Harrwitz, who used to kibitz with the spectators between moves.

I'd like to see Williams as Harrwitz in a rare win over Staunton, when Staunton started muttering unhappily about losing a pawn, and Harrwitz gleefully called his servant over, and asked him to check under the table because "Mr Staunton has lost a pawn".

Aug-12-14
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  thegoodanarchist: The black king makes a sorry sight, sitting on e5 with enemy bishops and queen swarming about. Nice game by Wil!
Aug-12-14
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  Check It Out: I like the pun. Bye, Mork. See you on the flip side.
Oct-21-14  Ke2: <LTJ> Not 29. g4#? Tasteless.
Jan-02-15  Ulhumbrus: If the pawn attack 11 h4 commits White to castling on the queen side this suggests the queen side pawn counter-attack 11...b5 to be followed by ...b4
Jan-03-15  Ulhumbrus: Perhaps what can be said of the move 7 h4 in the game Capablanca vs C H Alexander, 1936 can be said as well of the move 11 h4 in the present game: If the move h4 commits White to castling on the queen side this suggests a pawn counter-attack on the queen side by ...b5 and ...b4.
Jan-20-15
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  Gypsy: <tamar: Only a few players have had Robin Williams' manic mode. La Bourdonnais, as mentioned, and Harrwitz, who used to kibitz with the spectators between moves.

I'd like to see Williams as Harrwitz in a rare win over Staunton, when Staunton started muttering unhappily about losing a pawn, and Harrwitz gleefully called his servant over, and asked him to check under the table because "Mr Staunton has lost a pawn".>

Legends have it that Steinitz, too, could turn manic alright: Once, during tournament play, a spectator stopped Wilhelm during stroll and asked for an explanation of the last move with pawn. He, the spectator, that is, did not understand the move at all! To this, Steinitz replied: <Have you ever observed a monkey exploring a pocket watch?>

Jan-21-15
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  tamar: <Gypsy> Manic players tend to annoy others, who see their behavior as deliberately insulting. Steinitz recorded that Morphy was startled when he accosted him on the streets of New Orleans, but blamed the crowds rather than himself for Morphy's quick exit from their encounter.

Alekhine could be added to the list of manic players. I like the quote of Euwe "… at the chessboard he was mighty, away from chess … he was like a little boy who would get up to mischief and naively think that no one was watching him."

Apr-01-15  Ladyanavt: This game apears in Reti's classic "Modern Ideas in Chess"
Dec-11-15
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  Domdaniel: I knew this game, of course -- it appears in many books and software game collections -- but I'd forgotten that it begins as a Berlin...

A Berlin? With a brilliant sacrificial attack and a decisive win (never mind who by!)? C'est magnifique. Ich bin ein Berliner.

Clearly more people should play ...g6.

Apr-06-18  phillip2800: He made it look easy
Great game
Apr-06-18
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  tpstar: They must be going through their catalog of 4,000+ GOTD titles and replaying any ones that <morfishine> has not criticized yet.

Game Collection: Get Thee to a Punnery!

<Great game> Overrated movie.

Apr-06-18  Sally Simpson: Hi tpstar,

Find a Morphy loss and call it Morf's Misery. He will like that one.

Apr-06-18
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  Honza Cervenka: Maybe the last chance of black to hold the defense was seemingly desperate and ugly looking 20...h5. After 21.d4 black defense collapses in all lines but 23...Rf7 or 23...Re7 were more stubborn in resistance. 23...Nxd4 is hard to understand, because not only 24.Rxh7+! leads to a forced mate in several moves but also simple 24.Bxd4+ Rf6 25.Qb5! wins easily.
Apr-06-18  morfishine: <tpstar> LOL, but here's a news flash for you since you appear to be behind the times: there's no need for me to comment on lame puns anymore. There's a whole posse of malcontents that have taken over that job

<Sally Simpson> The problem with that idea is that Morphy never lost a game

*****

Apr-06-18  ndg2: There's something distinctly modern about this game. People laugh at Steinitz too much (I know, he was decidedly weaker than all other WCs, but still).
Apr-06-18  TheBish: <morfishine: ... The problem with that idea is that Morphy never lost a game>

Obviously you are being hyperbolic. A quick search shows Morphy losing 25 games (77 if you count exhibition, odds, rapid, consultation, etc. games), and drawing 17, with an overall record of 85.3%.

Apr-06-18
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  thegoodanarchist: < ndg2: There's something distinctly modern about this game. People laugh at Steinitz too much (I know, he was decidedly weaker than all other WCs, but still).>

Who would win between Steinitz and Euwe?

Apr-07-18  SChesshevsky: <ndg2> It does seem kind of a modern push. Reminds me of the Yugoslav vs. the Dragon idea. I mean it looks something like Fischer's sac, sac, mate.

Or the English attack idea to crack open the kingside for open lines to the king. Kasparov vs. Van Wely in 2000 or vs. Topalov in 2001 seemed to work out as Steinitz did.

Also Leko had a nice English attack win in 2015 World Blitz also with a rook sac on h7.

Apr-07-18  morfishine: <TheBish> Sarcastic is more accurate than hyperbolic
Oct-27-19  Rickysrook: Well Played
Oct-30-20
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  Messiah: One of the worst puns ever on CG.
Oct-30-20
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  Diademas: This is how I imagine you <Messiah>.

https://makeameme.org/meme/worst-po...

Oct-30-20
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  Messiah: <Diademas: This is how I imagine you <Messiah>.

https://makeameme.org/meme/worst-po...

I'm actually bald.

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