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| Sep-20-12 | | whiteshark: <FSR: 18.Rxh8+ screamed out to be played, but somehow the followup with 20.g7! escaped me. Obvious once you see it.> Yeah, Great Minds miscalculate alike. :D |
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| Sep-20-12 | | PhilFeeley: Browne made it look so easy. "Just open up the h-file." Is this the typical attack in the Sicilian? |
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| Sep-20-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: White has invested a piece to open the h-file and break down black's kingside defenses. Removing a key defender of the pinned Nf6 (with tempo) is a logical continuation of the attack. 18.Rxh8+! also allows white to bring in the queen efficiently: A) 18... Kxh8 19.Qh2+ Kg8 20.g7 Kxg7 21.Qh6+ Kg8 22.Bxf6 Qxf6 23.Qxf6 wins. A.1) 19... Kg7 20.Qh6+ Kg8 21.g7 Nh7 22.Bxd8 wins.
A.2) 19... Nh7 20.Bxd8 wins.
B) 18... Kg7 19.Rh7+ Kxg6 20.Qh2 Kxg5 21.Qh6#
B.1) 19... Kg8 20.Rxf7 Re3 21.Qh2 and black can't defend the threat of 22.Bxf6 followed by 22.Qh7# Straightforward. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Shams: The superb film "The Winslow Boy" is my favorite of David Mamet's. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: <<beonlychampion:> can any body here can tell me why not 18 q h2
which wins on the spot.>
After 18... Bg7, white is a piece down and where is the win? |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Lambda: The win isn't immediately obvious after 20... Nh7. 21. Bxd8 Rxd8 and black has a rook, piece and pawn for the queen, counting material. I'm sure it is won, white has a powerful attack against the black king and the black pieces are poorly positioned to fight it off, not to mention that white could probably take a pawn or two quite comfortably. But it needs more thought than just "oh, we've won the queen". |
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| Sep-20-12 | | James D Flynn: White is a piece and a pawn down but has an attack against Blacks open K position.
18.Rxh8+ Kxh8 19.Qh2+ Kg8(Kg7 20.Qh6+ Kg8 21g7 Is similar) 20.g7 Nh7 21.Bxd8 Rxd8 22.exd5 and White is now up a Q for a R and N and threatens Bd3 and Rh1 breaking through with the Q on the h file. There is no answer to those threats. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | gofer: Crafty link: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... |
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Sep-20-12
 | | LIFE Master AJ: It took me several minutes to find:
18.RxB/h8+!, KxR/h8;
19.Qh2+, Kg8▢;
20.g7!, ...
which appears to win for White. |
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Sep-20-12
 | | doubledrooks: I voted for 18. Rxh8+. A few lines:
a. 18...Kxh8 19. Qh2+ Kg8 20. g7 Nh7 21. Bxd8 Rxd8 22. Bd3 Kxg7 23. Rh1 with the attack b. 18...Kg7 19. Bxf6+ Kxf6 20. Qf4+ Kg7 21. Qxf7+ Kxh8 22. Qh7# |
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| Sep-20-12 | | McLain: For me, there is three reasons to look at this site almost daily.
1) The POTD
2) The GOTD
3) Any posts by ONCE ?
It is good that 3) is not there every day, so the excitement is even higher on days like today. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: <Lambda><James D Flynn><Nh7 21.Bxd8 Rxd8 22.exd5...> Even faster is the immediate 22.Bd3! and then 23.Rh1 is devastating. Try this against the Crafty link provided by <gofer>. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | goaper: I didn't see 20.g7
but 20.Qh6 which seems to win also
threatening g7 then Qh8#
so if
20...f7xg6
21. Qxg6+ , Kh8
22.Bxf6+ winning |
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Sep-20-12
 | | kevin86: Black is proud of his queen pawn triplets,white is proud of his attack. The bishop and queen will either cost black his queen or end in mate. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Shamot: <Once> Very nice! You lit up the board! |
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| Sep-20-12 | | JRMenezes: has anybody analysed Qxd4 threatening Rxh8+? |
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Sep-20-12
 | | agb2002: White is a knight and a pawn down.
Black threatens ... fxg6, ... dxe4 and ... gxf3.
White can carry out an attack against the black king through the dark squares with 18.Rxh8+ Kxh8 (18... Kg7 19.Bxf6+ Kxf6 [19... Qxf6 20.Qh6#] 20.Qf4+ and mate soon) 19.Qh2+: A) 19... Kg7 20.Qh6+ Kg8 21.g7 Nh7 22.Bxd8 Rxd8 23.Bd3 + - [Q vs R+N+P] with the threat 24.Rh1, winning. B) 19... Kg8 20.Qh6 (trying 21.g7)
B.1) 20... fxg6 21.Qxg6+ Kf8 (21... Kh8 22.Bxf6+ Qxf6 23.Qxf6+ Kg8 [23... Kh7 24.Qf7+ + -] 24.Qg6+ Kf8 25.Qxd6+ and 26.Qxb8 + -) 22.Bxf6 (probably 22.Bh6+ Kf7 23.Qg7+ wins also) B.1.a) 22... Qd7 23.Qh6+ Kg8 24.Qh8+ Kf7 25.Qg7+ Ke6 26.cxd5#. B.1.b) 22... Qc7 23.Qh6+ Kg8 24.Qh8+ Kf7 25.Qg7+ Ke6 26.exd5+ Kf5 27.Qg5#. B.1.c) 22... Re7 23.Bd3 Qc7 24.Rh1 seems to win (24... Rh7 25.Rxh7 Qxh7 26.Qxh7, etc.). B.2) 20... Qc7 21.Bxf6 fxg6 22.Qxg6+ transposes to B.1.b. B.3) 20... Re6 21.exd5
B.3.a) 21... Qf8 22.Qxf8+ Kxf8 23.dxe6
B.3.a.i) 23... Ng8 24.exf7 + - (24... Ne7 25.Bh6#).
B.3.a.ii) 23... Ne8 24.exf7 Ng7 25.Re1 Be6 (25... Ne6 26.Bh6+ Ke7 27.f8=Q+, etc.) 26.Bh6 Bd7 27.fxg4 + - [B+2P vs N]. B.3.b) 21... fxg6 22.Qxg6+ Kf8 23.dxe6 + -. |
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Sep-20-12
 | | chrisowen: I'd investigate king cages apart rookh1xh8+ king has to take back in glowing form Brownes king safe low in c1 he st g5 queend2 rifling pawn in g6 time for opening up ply in e8 low Elliots hand behold cover e7 a waste land in h4 so west queen infiltrate h2 or h6 at some point break a6 more favoured in keeping with rb8 rever enter a phase of tactics culminating in capping off rock sack prudence is the better part of valour in removing bh8 over sat i lead rookxh8 in dread spirit of the times gung ho queen as slide in h2+ king retreat in g8 look all set for big finale winning. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Abulherar: White's best move:18.Rxh8+! (Rook sac)
18...Kxh8 19.Qh2+ Kg8
white has decisive advantage and he can force his opponent to resign in few moves! |
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| Sep-20-12 | | benjaminpugh: After 20...Nh7, the line against Crafty is:
21 Bxd8, Rxd8
22 Bd3, Kxg7
23 exd5 (don't swing the rook over just yet), Ng5
24 Rh1 (now swing the rook over), Nh3
25 fxg4, Bxg4
26 Qg3, Rh8
27 Qxg4, Kf8
28 Rxh3, Rxh3
29 Qxh3
And now white has a queen and a bishop against a rook. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Casseb: <Rook sac: 18.Rxh8+> It`s not a rook sacrifice. It`s an exchange sacrifice. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Razgriz: Got the initial moves and most of the continuations properly but I missed out on Qh2. Was thinking of Qh6 or something. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | Tiggler: <Once: A true story. Yesterday I was talking to the best boy in the world about football.
That's the kind of football you play with your feet.> Ah, ... that women play with their feet, you mean. |
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| Sep-20-12 | | QueenMe: Nope; missed this one. Kept trying to get Qd4 to work. Not a bad move, mind you, but Black has decent play defending it. |
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| May-06-14 | | TheBish: Just scored 44 on Guess the Move, only missing moves where I was given points for good alternate moves. Curiously, I was only given 2 points for 6. Be3 (main book move, instead of Nge2) while I was given 3 points for all the other alternate moves, even though they weren't as aggressive in some cases (like opting for 11. Kb1 instead of Bh6). I was stuck on 20. g7! for awhile (looking at 20. gxf7 and then 20. Qh6) but after I got it I remembered seeing a position from this game in a tactics puzzle (18. Rxh8+!). I was curious where this game was played, but Browne didn't list this game or even mention Winslow in the index of players in his new book "The Stress of Chess... and its Infinite Finesse" which I purchased and had Browne autograph at the recent Larry Evans Memorial in Reno. (Very good book with 101 of his best games with detailed analysis, and loaded with stories and details of his chess career - at 463 pages one of my heaviest and thickest chess books but also one of the best.) I'm guessing it was played at a Bay Area tournament, as Browne lived (and still does I think) in Berkeley, CA, and Elliott Winslow also lived in the Bay Area (I used to see him at tournaments there in the early '80s). |
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sac: 18.Rxh8+