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| Aug-09-06 | | PivotalAnorak: 21.♘e3?!
21.♖e8+! ♔g7 22.♘e3!  If then 22...♗d7 23.♗xc6 ♗xe8 24.♗xe8 |
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| Aug-09-06 | | Marmot PFL: The 5...g6 line has never been that popular, but by 1966 Botvinnik was semi-retired and probably wanted to avoid main lines. I would have played 5...e6 and Bb4 to head for a Nimzo-Indian type position. |
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| Aug-09-06 | | euripides: The line had been played in the world championship match that year: Spassky vs Petrosian, 1966 |
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| Jun-02-08 | | dTal: <whatthefat> Botvinnik was simply blown away by the 1960 Tal. Nobody could withstand Tal that time, he was just unplayable. The whole world stood back in awe and just gaped at his brilliance. In 1961, Tal's Riga doctors strongly advocated delaying the return match because of serious kidney trouble. Botvinnik behaved as if he still was the champion, and demanded that he be examined by doctors in Moscow. Tal heard of this and instead of decrying the unsportsmanlike behaviour of "big Mischa" (Tal never used ill health as an excuse in his life) laughed it off and told Averbakh, "forget it, I will beat him as it is". Nevertheless history records that he was ill enough for it to be a factor. He also propounded what Kasparov calls the "disastrous theory of the clear head", preferring to appear relatively unprepared but with a fresh mind; i.e. "its better to appear fresh than with a sackful of theoretical novelties but a jaded mind" or words to that effect. Alas, his mind wasn't that clear either, and a fired up thoroughly prepared Botvinnik was a match for a sick, under-prepared Tal.. |
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| Jun-21-08 | | talisman: <dtal> when reading kasparov you have to be careful and you have to read between the lines. |
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| Jun-21-08 | | vraja: look at this beauty ! I just wish God hadnt tormented Tal with this kidney trouble. We could have seen a full blown healthty Tal and God only knows how much he could have accomplished....... |
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| Jun-21-08 | | M.D. Wilson: <whatthefat: <ArturoRivera>
True, but an oversimplification I think. Botvinnik was also a stronger opponent the second time around. As I see it, the 60 match was between an in-form Tal and an out of form Botvinnik. The 61 match was between an out of form Tal and an in-form Botvinnik. The fact that the score lines were so similar (12.5-8.5, 13-8) seems to support this.> I agree with this. I'm sure Tal's health affected his playing ability, especially in matches. I'm also sure that Botvinnik's age and the fact that he had to play younger opponents for decades affected his practical results, too. This only serves to remind us how great they both were. |
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| Jun-21-08 | | talisman: kinda makes ya wonder why Tal didn't treat the caro-kann this way in 60 and 61. |
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| Jun-21-08 | | Alphastar: <dragon40: WEll, as theroy stand right now, March of 2004, the whole line beginning with 5...g6, all variations and sub-variations in the Caro-Kann, Panov attack are not recommended OR considered sound at all!!> The 5. ..g6!? has never been refuted, but the line starting with 6. Qb3! is critical. After any normal move by white (like Nf3) the opening is simply a Tarrasch QG with reversed colors and a tempo less. This just results in 'easier equality'. The reason that the line 5. ..g6 is not played much is that white usually reaches a favourable position by in time returning the d5-pawn by playing d5-d6 (as in the game). |
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Jul-03-08
 | | pawn to QB4: <kinda makes ya wonder why Tal didn't treat the caro-kann this way in 60 and 61.> "On the eve of that meeting Botvinnik had been showing his best form, defeating Smyslov, Keres and Spassky; and against Tal again made use of his favourite Caro-Kann. For the first time against his great rival Tal replied with the Panov variation. And he achieved an astonishingly easy victory. There were some who thought with melancholy, he should have done that long before..." (Svetozar Gligoric). |
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| Jul-03-08 | | RookFile: Well, that system that Tal was playing back then, involving a piece sacrifice on e6, also looked promising. |
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Jul-03-08
| | stoy: This game is Tal's only tournament victory against Botvinnik, thus evening their lifetime score. |
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| Jul-27-08 | | talisman: <aw1988> how right you are and by the way come back...we all miss you and the wolf. |
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| Oct-15-08 | | Mikhail Tal fan: the end of one of the strongest rivalities in the world of chess , from Steinz-Lasker, Capablanca-Alekhine...Kasparov-Karpov ..to Anand-Kramnik nowadays .. i wish i had met Tal before his Death..R.I.P |
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| Jul-29-09 | | WhiteRook48: 5...g6 is stupid |
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| Aug-24-09 | | WhiteRook48: Tal should have played this variation as many times as possible in the 1961 rematch |
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| Apr-19-10 | | DrGridlock: < dragon40: <Catfriend> WEll, as theroy stand right now, March of 2004, the whole line beginning with 5...g6, all variations and sub-variations in the Caro-Kann, Panov attack are not recommended OR considered sound at all!!> Maybe not so unsound after all.
In the last year (2009) the 5 ... g6 variation has been used for the Black pieces by Grischuk: M Meinhardt vs Grischuk, 2009
and Kamsky:
Ehlvest vs Kamsky, 2010 |
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| Jul-18-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Tal vs Botvinnik, 1966.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF TAL.
Your score: 75 (par = 73)
LTJ |
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Nov-23-14
 | | perfidious: <PivotalAnorak: 21.Ne3?!
21.Re8+! Kg7 22.Ne3! If then 22...Bd7 23.Bxc6 Bxe8 24.Bxe8>Old stuff: Cafferty pointed out this possibility in his collection of Tal's games many years ago. |
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| Aug-15-21 | | tbontb: Tal's 14.Bg5 aiming to control d5 was a new move at the time and after Botvinnik's 20....Ra5 Black was simply lost. Instead 20....Nxd4 21.Re8+ Kg7 22.Nxb6 Rb8
23.Ncd5 Nf3+ 24.Bxf3 Bxf3 23.Re3 would have limited White to only a small advantage. |
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Aug-15-21
| | perfidious: As Cafferty also wrote in his annotations, it was surprising really that the Panov did not feature more frequently in Tal's praxis. |
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| Aug-15-21 | | offramp: The QGA and the CK Panov are similar. In this game Tal takes the pawn on d5. He then makes it <look like> he is going to keep that pawn! For some players being a pawn down can be a bit edgy; they can have a radio rental hemispheroid dyspapse. You get the same thing in the QGA. As Black, don't play the QGD, wait for a few moves and play ...dxc4. The player of the white pieces will be scratching all sorts of bits of his body. |
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| Mar-11-22 | | Chesgambit: Dubious system by black I played Caro-Kann then realize white can defend pawn or just give back pawn to create weakness and activity |
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| Mar-11-22 | | Chesgambit: Black should find strong moves like 8...a5 or 9...b5 not 9...Qb6 |
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Mar-11-22
| | perfidious: <stoy: This game is Tal's only tournament victory against Botvinnik, thus evening their lifetime score.> These players met only twice at the board aside from the two matches. |
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