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| Apr-01-06 | | lentil: <swindler> there was another category: "candidate master", which i GUESS should be about "high expert", so using this as an anchor, i further guess that first category is about "A-class", etc. |
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| Oct-17-06 | | orio24: < Swindler: <Petrosian later said he played this game at no better than First Category strength.> Reading through Russian chess books you often come into contact with these different categories: first, second and third. How do these correspond to the rating system?> There use to be so called "performance categories" before the rating system, and before national ratings came into play. It was that way in Slovakia, where I come from, and I guess it was similar in Soviet Union. There were 5 numbered perfomance categories, 5th was the lowest, and 1st the highest. That was followed by master of sport candidante perf category (shortly master candidate), and also master of sport perf category (shortly master), I guess. Those were all national categories.
Only after those followed the international titles (international master, international grandmaster).
If I remember correctly the 1st perf category corresponded to 1900 and master candidate to 2100. |
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| Oct-17-06 | | RookFile: You know, the funny thing about this game is, I do think that if you showed this to some people, and didn't identify the players, they might think that white was an expert or something. (2000) |
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| Oct-19-06 | | slomarko: Petrosian played like crap |
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Nov-08-06
 | | kevin86: It seems that in most every match in which a new champion is crowned,that the champ-to be, is clobbered in the first game. |
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| Mar-21-08 | | Knight13: White should've just played 13. Bd3 and castle. f3 creates weaknes on e3. |
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| Aug-25-08 | | Artemi: Yes a weakness is created on e3 by Petrosian himself! Of all people! |
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Nov-07-08
 | | Honza Cervenka: I guess that Petrosian played 13.f3 with intention to prepare e3-e4 but he missed that this plan can be thwarted by advance of black h-Pawn. |
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Nov-07-08
| | Honza Cervenka: 30.g4 was awful mistake. Iron Tigran was from a bit less solid material that day. |
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| May-04-11 | | lost in space: This was lost by Petrosjan and not won by Botwinnik |
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| Nov-13-12 | | Cemoblanca: So many fine moves in a single game! Wow! For example: 17...Re7! 22...Nh5! 23...Qd6! 26...Re6! 28...g5! 29...Bg6! (Safety first: A typical Vartanovich move!) ;) 30.g4?(?) The beginning of the disaster! 31...Nf4! Prolly overlooked by Botvinnik! 32.Qh2? 2 steps to the left would be the better option (32.Qd2) for example: 32...Nxh3 33.Kg2! (there was nothing better: 33.Kf1? g4! 24.fxg4 Rf6+!, etc.) 33...g4! 34.fxg4 (& again: There was nothing better) 34...Ng5! 35.Kg1! Ne4! 36.Rf1 Rh6! 37.Bf3! (The only move) 37...Rh3! 38.Qg2 (The best, but however, it's not enough & white is lost soon). 32...c5! (if 33.dxc5 then d4! with a deadly passed pawn on the e-file soon!) 34.b5! (with the idea Rb8!) 37...Nf4+! The same game! ;) 40...Re2+! The easiest way! 41.Nxe2 Qxe2+ 42.Qxe2 Rxe2+ 43.Kg3 Rxc2!, etc. |
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Nov-23-12
 | | perfidious: <ray keene> noted long ago that even after the stronger 11.Nf3 as played in Dreev vs Kulaots, 2006 amongst many games since, Black has no problems whatever after 11....Bf5, as he has got himself a type of QGD Exchange with his light-squared bishop favourably developed. |
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| Apr-21-13 | | Expendable Asset: <RookFile: You know, the funny thing about this game is, I do think that if you showed this to some people, and didn't identify the players, they might think that white was an expert or something. (2000)> If you asked me, I would've probably said that White was ~1800 and Black ~2300--there just isn't much in this game to show either player's real strengths. |
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| Apr-22-13 | | Petrosianic: <Expendable Asset>: <If you asked me, I would've probably said that White was ~1800 and Black ~2300--there just isn't much in this game to show either player's real strengths.> Nothing new there. Petrosian said himself that he played the game at about First Category level. Opening night jitters, most likely, because when he camer under pressure in Game 2, he hung in tough and didn't collapse. |
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Dec-18-13
 | | offramp: This is really weird:
<Dec-03-03 Petrosianic: Opening night jitters. Petrosian later said he played this game at no better than First Category strength.> And then:
<Apr-22-13 Petrosianic: ... Petrosian said himself that he played the game at about First Category level. Opening night jitters, most likely...> LOROL! |
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Dec-30-13
| | offramp: < Cemoblanca: So many fine moves in a single game! Wow! For example: 17...Re7! 22...Nh5! 23...Qd6! 26...Re6! 28...g5! 29...Bg6! (Safety first: A typical Vartanovich move!) ;) 30.g4?(?) The beginning of the disaster! 31...Nf4! Prolly overlooked by Botvinnik!...> I've just noticed that <Cemoblanca> thinks that Petrosian won this game. |
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Dec-31-13
| | offramp: Although Petrosian lost this game there were some rays of hope for him. As <Chessical> mentions above Botvinnik missed a fairly straightforward win with 21...Ng5.
In fact MMB saw this move, analysed it, then rejected it in favour of a more positional line of play.
So TVP could take heart that even in the first game of the match, when tiredness is not a factor, MMB had failed in his analysis of a crucial line. |
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| Aug-08-15 | | thegoodanarchist: < So TVP could take heart that even in the first game of the match, when tiredness is not a factor, MMB had failed in his analysis of a crucial line.> TVP, or "Textured Vegetable Protein", went on to win the match versus MMB (Monkey Meat Balls). Just goes to show the superiority of vegan over meat. |
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| Nov-28-15 | | Ulhumbrus: Botvinnik played this like Bronstein |
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Jan-16-17
| | offramp: <Ulhumbrus: Botvinnik played this like Bronstein.> Opening night jitters, most probably. |
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| Feb-25-18 | | tgyuid: this ought to be good.... |
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| Jun-08-21 | | CivilDisobedience: 13. f3 and the game is lost... |
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Jun-08-21
 | | keypusher: Reminiscent of this game, one of Botvinnik's worst. Botvinnik vs Kotov, 1946 |
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Feb-25-23
 | | plang: The idea behind 11 Ne2!? was to post the knight on f4 but after Botvinnik's innovation 11..Re8 this idea was already difficult to implement. 19 h3 weakened the kingside but White was already worse by this point. Botvinnik missed the opportunity to play 21..Ng5! which would have threatened a decisive sacrifice on h3. Subsequent analysis showed that there would have been no satisfactory defense. One pretty mating variation: 21..Ng5! 22 Kg1 (22 Qd1 was found to be the best defense but still led to a decisive advantage for Black) ..Bxh3 23 gxh..Nxh3+ 24 Kh2..Rxe3! 25 Nxe3..Qf4+ 26 Kh1..Nf2+ 27 Kg1..Qg3+ 28 Kf1..Nh3 29 Bd1..Qg1+ 30 Ke2..Nf4#. Despite White's shaky play he could have stayed in the game had he played more actively. Tal recommended 29 e4..Nf4 30 Qd2 followed by Rce3. Petrosian did eventually lash out but not effectively with 30 g4? after which he was lost; he may have overlooked 31..Nf4. |
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Feb-25-23
| | Honza Cervenka: < CivilDisobedience: 13. f3 and the game is lost..> 13.f3 was definitely source of all troubles of white in this game, and so it is hard to disagree with this. But objectively the game of white was just significantly worse from that point and not lost by force. In fact, white missed several chances to equalize the position, one of them was 29.e4!? suggested by Tal but also 28.f4 preventing g6-g5 could have been interesting. 30.g4?? lost the game. |
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