| May-12-04 | | fred lennox: A beautiful combination. Bird had a fondness for stonewall positions. The Bird Opening compliments this by putting pressure on the central dark squares. The central pawns help safeguard the castled king and prepares for kingside attack. |
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| Jul-20-04 | | suenteus po 147: <fred lennox> What do you mean by stonewall positions? As a student of Bird's Opening, I find games like this one common in my experience, and helpful in giving me ideas on what to do in these situations. Perhaps knowing what a stonewall position is could also improve my use of Bird's. Are there games that you could offer that are "classic" examples of a stonewall position? |
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| Jul-29-04 | | Knight13: <suenteus po 17> Stonewall is f4 e3 d4. Pawns shaped like triangle. It's a good opening. |
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| Jul-29-04 | | Knight13: This game is rally interesting. Good game. |
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| Jul-30-04 | | suenteus po 147: Thnaks, <Knight13>. Anyone know why it's called a stonewall? Is it really that "sturdy" of a pawn structure? Is it a triangle of any three pawns, or specfically d4 e3 f4? |
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| Jul-30-04 | | maoam: <suentus po 147>
A useful introduction to the Dutch Stonewall as White/Black: http://www.ex.ac.uk/~dregis/DR/Open... |
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| Jul-30-04 | | suenteus po 147: <maoam> Thanks for the link! I think I get the idea now. It's no wonder that Bird was a big practioner of the stonewall, since he made 1.f4 his opening and it's one of the key moves in the series. Very fascinating stuff here. |
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| Jul-30-04 | | Dudley: The Stonewall is also easily reached by using a 1.d4 2.e3 3.f4 sequence and can even be reached by a Colle system move order of 1.d4 2.Nf3. This game was definitely a Stonewall, but a more unique setup to Bird's is with the b3 queen side fianchetto and avoiding d4. Of course, in this game it probably wouldn't have been wise since black had a King's Indian structure. Basically, the Colle system and the Stonewall structure are closely related, although one opens up quickly and the other doesn't. The Stonewall is fun to play, but there are several ways for black to explode the whole thing-I like to get my QB out on f5 or g4. The classic refutation is seen in the game Vliet-Znosko-Borovsky, Ostend 1907 which is in Chernev's Logical Chess-Move by Move and probably in this database. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | suenteus po 147: Hmmm.... The "Colle System" is not listed in the ECO guide. Does anyone have the series of moves for the Colle System so I can find it in the Opening Explorer? |
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Jul-31-04
 | | Gypsy: < suenteus po 147> Here is a typical Colle-System sequence: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 e6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Bd6 6.O-O O-O 7.Nd2 Nc6 8.e4... It's a system, because White errects pretty much the same structure regardless of Black buildup (within a reason, of course). Colle is great for players that either are rusty on theory and/or warm up slowly for a fight. Colle is very non-forcing over the first 8 or nine moves (do not forget to play c3
at the right time though). The key theme is to push e3-e4 at a good clip. Sometimes, thematic Re1 precedes the e4 push, but, more often than not, it is good to leave Bc1 put untill the e4 is played. |
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| Aug-01-04 | | Dudley: <sueteus po> I have a small game collection of the Colle System if you want to see how it works-Colle System Classics. It is hard to find out about these old systems because they are pre-ECO code and are not popular enough now to be noticed much. |
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| Aug-03-04 | | suenteus po 147: <Gypsy>, <Dudley>, thank you both for the information. It looks like I have some studying/catching up to do this week! |
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| Aug-03-04 | | fred lennox: Players of the Stonewall include: Bird, Marshal, Colle, Capablanca, Maroczy, Breyer, Sultan Khan, Tarrasch, Pillsbury and Larson. Quite a diversity of players. Strictly speaking, the Stonewall differs from the Colle because the Colle tries to free it's game by e3-e4 where the Stonewall does not. |
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Aug-03-04
| | Gypsy: <suenteus po 147> If you play it flexibly, you will have a fine choice of several (at least four) strategic buildups: (1) Colle (c3, and central break e4), (2) Zukertort (b3, with cleaning motives on the black diagonal), (3) Stonewall (blocked center, ouposts, rook maneuevers and K-side attack), and (4) white Merano (Q-side pawn onslaught). Btw, pay attention on which side of the pawn chain the black white-squared bishop stands after e7-e6. |
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Aug-03-04
| | Gypsy: Sorry, I spaced up!! Of course, the whole (5) QG complex c2-c4 often leads to a splendid play for White even (especially?) after the game got knocked out of the common QG lines. |
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| Feb-04-08 | | Whitehat1963: Is there something wrong with 28. Bf5+? |
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Kibitzing
sac: 30.Rxg6+