| Jan-16-04 | | caga1971: nice game!!... white with two pawns down, make a Knight Sacrifice to win. |
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| Jan-17-04 | | Calli: More interesting would be 25...Ng5! threatening Rxe5. So 26.Rf5 Nh7 looks forced. After that, I don't know. Crafty? |
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| Jan-17-04 | | crafty: 25...♘g5 26. ♖f5 ♘h7 27. ♖h5 ♗f2 28. ♖f3 ♗b7 29. ♗xb7 = (eval -0.40; depth 14 ply; 750M nodes) |
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| Jan-17-04 | | Calli: Hmm Crafty's [25...Ng5 26.Rf5 Nh7 27.Rh5 Bf2 28.Rf3 Bb7 29.Bxb7] looks lost for Black. He can't do anything after 29...Rxb7 20.Rfh3. Better is 28...d6! 29.Rxf2 Rxe5 with a lot of play left. |
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| Jan-17-04 | | Cyphelium: <Calli> I always like to see when a human refutes computer analysis! The position after 25.- Ng5 is interesting, and here is some analysis (which probably can be improved). After 25.- Ng5 26. Rf5 Nh7 27. Rh5 Bf2 28. Rf3 d6, maybe 29. exd6 is playable. After 29.- Bg4 30. Bxf7+ Kh8(30.- Kxf7 31. Rxh7+ Ke6 32. Rxf2 and white is better) 31. Rxh7+ Kxh7 32. Rxf2 Re1+ 33. Kg2 cxd6 34. Bxd6 looks playable for white. Indeed, the f-pawn might get dangerous. I tried to improve on this by playing 28. Kg2!? instead of 28. Rf3. The point would be avoiding the Bg4 double threat. Also, the king is not stuck in the corner, so the Bb7+ move is not so serious anymore. 28. Kg2 d6!? 29. exd6 and now 29.- Nxf6 leads to complications e.g. 30. Rg5+ Kh7 (30.- Kh8 31. Bb2) 31. Bxf7 Re2 32. Kf1 Rc2 33. dxc7 Ra8 34. Bb3 Rxc7 35. Kxf2 and it is unclear what is happening. That line can probably be improved. If black wants to avoid these complications, there is also 29.- cxd6 instead of the knight capture. 30. Bxf7+ Kxf7 31. Rxh7+ Kxf6 32. Rxd6+ Kg5 33. Kxf2 and maybe white is a little better because of his active pieces, but I doubt he can win. So maybe 28. Rf3 is better than 28. Kg2 after all. |
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| Jan-17-04 | | Calli: <Cyphelium> Thanks! Its a very rich position and I like your ideas. On 29.exd6, I think black plays 29...Re1+ immediately. After 20.Kg2 Bb6 there is a mate threat. Then 21.Rg3+ Kh8 22.dxc7 Rb7! and Black is possibly ahead, but can't be sure in this wild position. Your 28. Kg2! seems to pose real problems for black. I don't think 28...d6 works because of 29.Bxf7+ Kxf7 30.Rh7+ Kg6 31.Rg7+ Kf5 32.Kxf2. Will take a closer look at it. Maybe the B simply has to move from f2. |
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| Jan-17-04 | | Cyphelium: <Calli> This was indeed very interesting to analyse. Nice idea with the mate, I missed it. I agree that 29.exd6 Re1+ 20.Kg2 Bb6 21.Rg3+ Kh8 22.dxc7 Rb7! looks good for black. I can't find any useful move for white. Before abandoning this line though, I would like to try 22. Bxf7 instead of 22. dxc7. (I hope I won’t bore you with my long analysis.) A/ 22.- Rg1+ suggests itself. 23. Kf3 and now:
a1/ 23.- Rxg3+ 24. hxg3 cxd6
(24.- Bb7+ 25. Kf4 and black cannot parry Bg6 and Rxh7) 25. Bg6 Rb7 26. Bb2!
(26. f7? Rxf7+)
26.- Kg8 27. Bxh7+ and now white wins, the main point being 27.- Rxh7 28. Rxh7 Kxh7 29. f7 + - . Other tries also seems to fail: 27.- Kf7 28. Be4, 27.- Kf8 Bg6, or 28.- Be6 29. Rg7+ (unfortunately black doesn’t have to walk into the mate after 29. f7+? Kf8, when 30 Bg7+ doesn’t yield anything) 29.- Kf8 30. Kf4 and then pushing the g-pawn decides. a2/ 23.- Rf1+ 24. Ke4! (not 24. Ke2 Rf2+ 25. Ke1 Bf5) 24.- Bb7+ 25. Kd3 and white seems to win, e.g. 25.- Rd1+ 26. Kc2 Re1 27. Bg6 Be4+ 28. Bxe4 Rxe4 29. Rg7. a3/ 23.- Bb7+ 24. Ke2 Rxg3 25. hxg3 Be4 26. d7 followed by Be8 and f7 looks strong. B/ 22.- Bb7+! 23. Bd5 (23. Kh3 Bc8+ 24. Kg2 is a draw?!?) 23.- Bxd5+ 24. Rxd5 Rg1+ 25. Kf3 Rxg3+ 26. hxg3. Now 26.- Nxf6 looks tame; 27. Bb2 Rf8 28. d7 c6 29. Rd6 Bd8 30. Rxc6 and I wonder if black can hope to win this? 26.- cxd6 27. Bxd6 Rd8 28. f7 Nf6 29. Be5!. Ok, it’s too late now and it’s starting to get a bit like wishful thinking...better sleep now.. As for for 28. Kg2, I will give that one a look next time. . |
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| Jan-18-04 | | Calli: Apparently I misnumbered the moves starting with 20. instead of 30. Apologize to Cyphelium and to those following the thread. I know how confusing that can be. <Cyphelium> trying to get back on track. In the line 25...Ng5 26.Rf5 Nh7 27.Rh5 Bf2 28.Rf3 d6 29.exd6 Re1+ 30.Kg2 Bb6 31.Rg3+ Kh8 32.Bxf7 I agree with you that Black must play 32... Bb7+! 33. Bd5? looks bad for white after 33...Re2+ 34.Kf3 Rxa2. the tactical point being that black threatens the a3 Bishop and also 35...Bxd5 36.Rxd5 Rf2+ 37.Ke4 Nxf6+ forking the king and rook! Better is 33. Kh3 I thought perhaps black can use the Bc8+ to defend h7. 33.Kh3 cxd6 34.Bg6 Bc8+ 35.Kg2 Rb7 but then 36.f7 and black has a perpetual check. Still looking |
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| Jan-20-04 | | Cyphelium: <Calli> It's kind of amusing that I didn't notice the misnumbering, and just continued instead. =) Anyway, my analysis under B/ of 32.- Bb7 wasn't very good (in the variations after 36.- Nxf6 I just drop a piece). After 25...Ng5 26.Rf5 Nh7 27.Rh5 Bf2 28.Rf3 d6 29.exd6 Re1+ 30.Kg2 Bb6 31.Rg3+ Kh8 32.Bxf7 Bb7+ 33.Kh3 cxd6 34.Bg6 Bc8+ 35.Kg2 Rb7
36. f7 I don't get the perpetual to work. 36.- Rg1+ 37. Kf3 Rf1+ and isn't it possible to play 38. Ke2? 38.- Rf2+ 39. Kd3 and I see no perpetual. 39.- Rbxf7 isn't possible 40. Bxf7 Rxf7 41. Bb2+.
Instead 36.- Re2+ 37. Kf1 Rf2+ 38. Ke1 Re7+ 39. Kd1 Rf1+ 40. Kc2 and now either 40.- Re2+ 41. Kd3 or 40.- Rc7+ 41. Kd3 Rd1+ 42. Ke2. Also, I finally tried 36.- Rxf7, but then white has 37. Bb2+. I don't how relevant this is, since black still has that perpetual with 32.- Bb7+ 33. Kh3 Bc8+ etc. If a draw by perpetual is the best white can hope for after 28. Rf3, then 28. Kg2 might be the best try. But then again, if 28. Kg2 finally is found to be bad, 28. Rf3 should perhaps be preferred anyway, since white has a draw then?! Ok, now for 28. Kg2... |
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| Jan-20-04 | | Calli: Hmm..I had that perpetual in there somewhere. Ah, its Re2,Re7 and Bg4 Okay the whole thing again:
25...Ng5 26.Rf5 Nh7 27.Rh5 Bf2 28.Rf3 d6 29.exd6 Re1+ 30.Kg2 Bb6 31.Rg3+ Kh8 32.Bxf7 Bb7+ 33.Kh3 cxd6 34.Bg6 Bc8+ 35.Kg2 Rb7 36.f7 and now 36...Re2+ 37.Kf1 Rf2+ 38.Ke1 Re7+ 39.Kd1 Bg4+! 40.Rxg4 (otherwise its mate) Rf1+ 41.Kc2 Re2+ 42.Kd3 Re3+ (the reason for Bg4) 43.Kd2 Rf2+ etc Interesting line and close to a win, but you are right. Anderssen will soon rise from the grave and tell us to stop beating a dead horse. On to 28.Kg2 |
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| Jan-20-04 | | Calli: Well, :-), I guess it isn't quite a perpetual since White can play 42.Kc3 and 43.Kb4 but then he loses material to Bc5+. |
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| Jan-20-04 | | Cyphelium: Hmmm...well if I understand you correctly it should go something like 42.Kc3 Rf3+ 43. Kb4 Bc5+ but after 44. Ka5 there is still a mate on h7 and it looks like white is winning. |
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| Jan-20-04 | | Calli: It would go 41.Kc2 Re2+ 42.Kc3 Re3+ 43.Kb4 Bc5+ 44.Ka5 Rxa3+ 45.Ra4 Rxa4# or have I mixed up the position? |
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| Jan-21-04 | | Cyphelium: No! It was I who did that. =) |
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| Nov-30-05 | | Sargon1: 25...♘g5 26.♖f5 ♘h7 27.♖h5 ♗f2 28.♗e4! ♗b7 29.♗xb7  ♖xb7 30.♖dh3 and mate in 6 |
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| Nov-16-07 | | sambo: This Riemann character is pretty dangerous with the Evans. Never heard of him otherwise though. Great analysis from the previous kibitzers, too. Thanks guys. |
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| Nov-16-07 | | yogi1986: This game is also especially notable as when Reimann was observed entering the bathroom during a complex position, Anderssen quickly objected to the arbiter that his opponent was consulting Fritz. Although the charges were mysteriously dismissed mystery still surrounds the subject of Toilet gate: the early years |
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| Nov-16-07 | | Gejewe: <sambo>
Fritz Riemann was a pupil of Adolf Anderssen, both at school and in the chess scene of Breslau ( Germany at the time, now Wroclaw, Poland ). They played hundreds of games, many published in Riemann's "Schacherinnerungen", many years later. Unfortunately, Riemann had very bad nerves and had to give up tournament chess at a very early age .. This has probably deprived us of many masterpieces ! |
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Sep-13-20
 | | Honza Cervenka: Instead of 14.Bxd5 it is much better to play 14.Rxd5 d6 15.Bd3. After trade of Queens white was objectively much worse but Anderssen did not find a way to liberate his position (for example 20...d6 looks fine) and allowed white to turn the table and to win by lovely combination. 25...Ng5!? could have been quite interesting attempt for defence, but insufficient with precise play of white: 25...Ng5 26.Rf5 Nh7 27.Rh5 Bf2 28.Be4! leaves black without satisfactory defense, as 28...Bb7 29.Bxb7 Rxb7 is followed by simple 30.Rdh3 and mate in several moves. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 24.Nf6+