Dec-20-05
 | | offramp: White could have tried the ♔+♙ ending after 33.Qf5+. It seems to be a draw, but you never know what might happen during a game. |
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| Dec-20-05 | | CapablancaFan: 33. Qf5 is not a check. |
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| Dec-20-05 | | Averageguy: Yes it is. The pawn ending looks drawn, as it seems that both sides would promote. |
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Apr-29-06
 | | beatgiant: I looked over that ♔+♙ ending and found an easy draw. Here's a sample line: 33. Qf5+ Qxf5 34. exf5 Kg8 35. Kf2 Kf7 36. Ke3 Kf6 37. Ke4 a4 38. g3 h5 39. Kf4 b5 40. Ke4 c4 41. Kd4 Kxf5 42. Kc5 Ke4 43. Kxb5 Kf3 44. Kxa4 Kxg3 45. Kb5 Kxh3 46. a4 g5, etc. and both sides will queen, with a draw. I don't guarantee that line's totally correct (haven't check with computer), but it illustrates the main point: White's king raids Black's queenside while Black's king raids White's kingside, and both sides queen. |
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Apr-29-06
| | beatgiant: What I find interesting is the way Alekhine manages to his queen out of the net in the opening. White can't play 18. Rxd7 Bxd7 19. Qxd7 Rad8, etc. |
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| Apr-30-06 | | Calli: With AA's queen out of play, a more speculative player might have taken greater risks, but Capablanca seemed to become more and more adverse to such ideas as the he got older. Perhaps a reason for his defeat in the match also. |
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May-02-06
| | beatgiant: <Calli>
Black's opening after 10...a5 looks dubious with the queen offside, but I haven't been able to find any easy way to refute it. Is this known to theory?My attempted improvement is 12. Qe3 0-0 13. Bd3 Bxd2+ 14. Qxd2 c5 15. 0-0 cxd4 16. Rfc1 Nb6 17. e5 with plan of 18. Qf4, etc. which looks nice for White. |
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| May-02-06 | | Calli: <beatgiant> "Is this known to theory?"
Don't know the theory, but there are no other games with a4 in the CG database. "12. Qe3 0-0 13. Bd3 Bxd2+ 14. Qxd2 c5 15. 0-0 cxd4 16. Rfc1.." probably 16...Qb4 since 17.Qe2 e5 and he play the Q back to e7. Maybe something along the lines of 16.Bc4 c5 17.0-0 followed by e5 etc. Not sure though |
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May-03-06
| | beatgiant: <Calli>
On the suggested <12. Qe3 0-0 13. Bd3 Bxd2+ 14. Qxd2 c5 15. 0-0 cxd4 16. Rfc1 Qb4>, my idea would be 17. Qf4!? so that 17...Qxb2 18. e5 Nc5 19. Bxh7+ Kxh7 20. Qh4+ Kg8 21. Ng5 Rd8 22. Rab1 with what looks like a very strong attack. Alekhine would probably not allow all that, so 17. Qf4 Qe7 18. e5 Nc5 19. Qxd4 Nxd3 20. Qxd3 Rd8 21. Qe4, etc. with a slight advantage for White (more active position). But most things I've tried for White end in only a slight advantage. |
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| May-03-06 | | Cyphelium: <beatgiant> After your 17. ♕f4, instead of 17.- ♕xb2, I suggest 17. -f6. |
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May-04-06
| | beatgiant: <Cyphelium>
On 12. Qe3 0-0 13. Bd3 Bxd2+ 14. Qxd2 c5 15. 0-0 cxd4 16. Rfc1 Qb4 17. Qf4 <f6>, White replies 18. Bc4 which appears to win the pawn back quickly (even after 18...Qb6 19. Qc7! so 19...Qxc7 20. Bxe6+ and 21. Rxc7) still with more active position for White.Of course, Black could vary from this line much earlier too. I wonder how far Alekhine was prepared for this opening? |
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| May-04-06 | | Cyphelium: <beatgiant> Isn't 18. ♗c4 ♘c5 more natural? (If it's good is another question...) |
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| May-04-06 | | Cyphelium: <beatgiant> Also, after 18. ♗c4 ♕b6 19. ♕c7, black could try 19.- ♖e8. |
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May-04-06
| | beatgiant: <Cyphelium>
<Isn't 18. ♗c4 ♘c5 more natural?>
In the line we've been discussing, 18. Bc4 Nc5 19. Qd6, etc. still looks good for White.<Also, after 18. ♗c4 ♕b6 19. ♕c7, black could try 19.- ♖e8.> Good point, that looks drawish to me after 20. Qxb6 Nxb6 21. Nxd4 Nxc4 22. Rxc4, etc. and I wasn't able to find anything stronger. But anyway, to my mind this is too deep into the line to be looking at such details. There must be improvements over my line for both sides much earlier than that ;-) |
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| May-04-06 | | Cyphelium: <beatgiant> <In the line we've been discussing, 18. Bc4 Nc5 19. Qd6, etc. still looks good for White.> Well, at least 19.- ♘xe4 20. ♗xe6+ ♔h8 seems to turn out ok for black. But I agree with you that we've gotten too far now. Long analysis - wrong analysis! |
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| May-04-06 | | RookFile: This seems to be a hard game to evaluate. I think at different points, each side had an advantage. |
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May-04-06
| | beatgiant: <RookFile>
<I think at different points, each side had an advantage.>To me it looks like White tried to trap Black's queen, Black escaped, and the situation after that was drawish. At what point do you think <Black> had an advantage? |
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| May-04-06 | | Ulhumbrus: Instead of 27 Bb3, 27 Qe3! improves the position of the piece placed worse, the White Queen. |
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| Mar-03-08 | | Knight13: <Instead of 27 Bb3, 27 Qe3! improves the position of the piece placed worse, the White Queen.> Instead of 27. Qe3, 27. Bb3! improves the positiono f the piece placed worse, the White bishop. The Queen likes it better on a7 at that point. |
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| Feb-25-12 | | The Curious Emblem: Instead of finding fault with White for not "pushing enough" when Black's Queen was "out of the game," I praise Black for sucessfully equalizing and drawing the game. |
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