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Alexander Alekhine vs T Lovewell
Simul, 28b (1923) (blindfold), Providence, RI USA, Dec-15
Englund Gambit Complex: Felbecker Gambit (A40)  ·  1-0



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Mar-28-03  crafty: 12. ♕h7+ ♔f8 13. ♕h8+ ♔e7 14. ♕xg7#   (eval Mat03; depth 5 ply; 1M nodes)
Aug-09-04  Rowson: im the first to sovle this one... yay!
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  Shadout Mapes: I was very proud of myself for calculating every single aspect of this sacrifice from the diagram in about 3-4 minutes.

10...Kh8 or 10...Kh6 meets 11.Nxf7+ forking the queen.

10...Kg6 11.Qd3+ Kh5 12.Qh3+ Kg6 13.Qh7#

The threat after 11.Qh5 is 12.Qxf7+ Kh8 13.Qh5+ Kg8 14.Qh7+ Kf8 15.Qh8+ Ke7 16.Qxg7# There is no way to meet it. 11...g6 meets 12.Qh7+ Kf8 13.Qxf7#. 11...Re7 or 11...Qe7 meets 12.Qh7+ Kf8 13.Qh8#

I would never have gotten it if it weren't for Vukovic's The Art of Attack in Chess, though.

Aug-09-04  HailM0rphy: <cg> Didn't we already do the trojan horse theme a week or 2 ago?

Anyway 9 Kf8 Ng5 10 d6 Qh5 Qd7 would have held off white a bit a longer ( I think) but eventually blacks kingside would be obliterated anyway due to the ovewhlming build up of white why delay the game anymore I guess

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  cu8sfan: So what's the theme this week? Opening traps? Sacrifices on h7? I got it right but thought it was surprisingly hard for a Monday puzzle.
Aug-09-04  iron maiden: The move is relatively easy to see, but it does take a little longer to calculate than most Monday puzzles.
Aug-09-04  misguidedaggression: I'm stuck on 10...Kg6 11.Qd3+ f5 (note: 12.exf6ep+ is illegal.) did anyone see this line through?
Aug-09-04  macphearsome: This was actually fairly difficult for a monday puzzle, as cu8sfan and iron maiden said...

I looked at the game, looked at my watch to see what day it was, then looked back at the game and felt really stupid.

...I didn't get it...

Aug-09-04  erikcu: I thought this was called the greak gift. Am I confused? Is it Olympic theme week?
Aug-09-04  HailM0rphy: <eric> I dunno why some called it the Greek gift.. trojan horse seems a little more direct
Aug-09-04  misguidedaggression: I'm running a computer analysis on 10...Kg6 I think it's a "cook." There's no clear win here after several minutes, But I'm running an old version of Chessmaster. Could I get some help from someone with a better computer? Crafty! This is NOT a Monday problem!
Premium Chessgames Member I think 10...Kg6, the move normally almost unthinkable in these sorts of sacrifices, busts this problem. Like many of you who posted above I did not notice that ...f5 is a good defense because en passant is illegal.

With help from the computer I found one incredible line,11.h4 Nxe5 12.fxe5 Rxe5+ 13.Qe7 Qg4!

Another is 11.Qd3+ f5 12. Qh3 Rh8 13. Qg3 Nxe5 14. Nd6+ Ng4 15.Nxd8 Bxf2+ a clever trick but still

It's only 1:30am, I think we'll move to another problem, it's not fair making people try to figure all this out on Monday. Once I get the new puzzle up, I'll let crafty chew on this one.

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  cu8sfan: If it turns out 10....♔g6 is a viable defense Dr. Lovewell will be spinning in his grave knowing he could have beat Alekhine or at least showed one of his combination faulty.
Aug-09-04  misguidedaggression: <cu8sfan> not really, After a half hour My computer says +1.16 or so for white. It probably would've been just a matter of time for Alekhine to convert on that. These defensive lines aren't easy to find either. (though the 11...f5 line was the first one I analized. Tough to solve a problem when you instantly stumble upon the one line that cooks the problem.)
Aug-09-04  crafty: 10...♔g6 11. h4 ♘xe5 12. fxe5 ♖xe5+ 13. ♘ce4 ♕e7 14. ♕g4 =   (eval 0.22; depth 12 ply; 2000M nodes)
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  ray keene: after 10...kg6 i am sure white is doing really well even if he plays quietly-he has two pawns for his piece-free development and blacks king is running aroUnd-alekhine wd have won this for sure. re greek gift<hailMorphy> its from virgils aeneid -laocoon the priest is trying to dissuade the trojans from taking in the horse and he says"timeo danaos et dona ferentes" meaning-i fear the greeks even bearing gifts. its usually a bishop that is sacrificed in the greek gift and on h7 so its a bit hard cALLING IT A TROJAN HORSE which WD IMPLY A KNIGHT SAC. HOPE THAT CLEARS UP THE QUESTION.
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  ray keene: pls ignore random use of caps in last post-its early here and i have not had my first cup of tea which means i am essentially half blind
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  AdrianP: <Ray> It was speculated here: M Pestalozzi vs H Duhm, 1908 that the phrase 'Greek gift' might also be partially derived from Greco's treatment of this sacrifice... any thoughts?
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  kevin86: The term,Greek gift,is an oxymoron. It may be the oldest ethnic rib of all time.I don't want to get "in dutch" so I'll end here.
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  ray keene: i am pretty sure it has nothing to do with greco-virgil is more likely
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  Gypsy: Bxf7+ is called "greek gift" primarily because the sacrifice first appears in manuscripts of <Gioachino Greco>. The Trojan War reference is a clever, but secondary reference.
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  ray keene: <gypsy> i have never ever heard of the sacrifice bxf7+ being referred to as a greek gift. it is always bxh7+ followed by ng5+.

i am not saying you are wrong but can you indicate some hard evidence for your view apart from a brief and tentative suggestion in the oxford companion?

in fact an interesting question is raised-when was the term greek gift first used-the oxford companion is inconsistent in its explanation saying that it refers specifically to bxh7+ and that it probably stems from grecos games rather then the classical reference. however-altho incursions on f7 and f2 occur left right and centre-as it were- in grecos play i can only find one instance of a bxh7 sacrifice

so we have a contradiction

it seems to be agreed that it is bxh7 which defines the greek gift not bxf7

however bxf7 crops up all over the place in greco while there is only one example of bxh7

the oxford companion speculates that the link between bxh7 and greco is what caused the name greek gift but they give no evidence-but surely given the frequency if something was going to be named after greco it should be bxf7.

no-my guess and i stress its just a guess till someone comes up with the evidence is that greek gift was a classically inspired note straight out of virgil

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  Gypsy: My apology <ray> I did intend to type Bxh7+ -- that, followed by Ng5+ or Qh4+, is what I know as greek gift.
Aug-10-04  LuckyFish: In his book, The Art of Chess Combination, Znosko-Borovsky devotes over half the text to the Bxh7 sac. In most cases, black's only hope, albeit a very slim one, is in Kg6. White's best is usually Qg4; the threatened discovered check should win. I believe that is the case here.

After 10...Kg6 11.Qg4, d6 or d5, White mates quickly with Ne6+.

if 11...f5 or Nxe5, White should maintain the threat with Qg3. (if then Bxf2+, then 13.Kxf2.)

if 11...Rxe5+ then 12. Nce4.

Note that if White takes on e5 with the f pawn, Black survives with Qxg5.

After reading this, it sounds a little pompous. This is not the intention, please forgive.

Aug-10-04  misguidedaggression: 10...Kg6 11.Qg4 f5 12.Qg3 Nxe5! 13.Ne6+ Ng4! And Black is winning! (computer analysis: -2.81) Lovewell would have never found this line though.
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