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Alexander Alekhine vs Akiba Rubinstein
Hastings (1922), Hastings ENG, rd 6, Sep-16
Tarrasch Defense: Two Knights Variation (D32)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Aug-28-04  Whitehat1963: Do most people feel as I do, that a draw for black is as good as a win?
Aug-28-04  ughaibu: A win for black?
Aug-28-04  Whitehat1963: Yes, a win for black.
Aug-28-04  clocked: yes, that is why we score the results the same and never turn down draw offers from white.
Aug-28-04  ughaibu: How can a person play chess with such a feeling? (serious question)
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  suenteus po 147: <Whitehat1963> As an advocate for the draw (as I am) I feel a draw is as good as a win for black in only two instances: (1) when the win is no longer a viable option, or (2) when a draw is the likely (though not definite) outcome. Does this mean that I think black should ALWAYS take the draw when a draw is the likely outcome? Certainly not. A draw is the likely outcome at the very beginning of a game between two equal players. However, there is still a wealth of moves and possibilities open that might allow black an advantage or white a disadvantage, and not taking advantage of that fact is itself a poor decision. There are a wealth of reasons, of course, to take a draw when offered, but my two reasons are the ones I feel warrant a draw equaling a win for black.
Aug-28-04  Whitehat1963: <ughaibu> Don't get me wrong, I always play to win, even though I suck. But I just view a draw as a "moral victory" for black. And against a better player, I'll gladly take a draw as black.
Aug-28-04  ughaibu: I guess you'd also feel that a draw against a better player, say Judit Polgar for example, would be a moral victory with white. Can you define the degree of opponent's superiority that distinguishes morally victorious draws of black and white?
Aug-28-04  Whitehat1963: Someone, say, who consistently beats me 3 out of 4.
Aug-28-04  ughaibu: and the colour?
Aug-28-04  Whitehat1963: Someone who beats me that often, I'll only be happy to draw with black.
Aug-28-04  ughaibu: 3/4, so you expect to win one white?
Aug-28-04  Whitehat1963: Expect? No. But definitely won't settle for a draw unless I'm in a losing position. I'll try for the win and won't be happy with a draw if I'm playing white.
Aug-02-14  estrick: There are twelve games in the CG database that reach the position we have in this game with the queens being traded on the 11th move.

Ten of the twelve games were drawn and just two were won by White.

If you want to play for a draw with Black pieces, this seems like a pretty strong drawing line . . .

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