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Georg Salwe vs Alexander Alekhine
All-Russian Masters (1914), St. Petersburg RUE, rd 5, Jan-11
Tarrasch Defense: Symmetrical Variation (D32)  ·  0-1



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Jul-27-03  Benjamin Lau: Why not 33. R1d6 Kg5 34. Rd5+ Kg6 35. Rxh5 Kxh5 36. Rf7, threatening Rb7 next turn? Am I hallucinating again?
Jul-27-03  PizzatheHut: I would think that after all the exchanges, black is a pawn up, with an outside passed pawn and a king to support that pawn. The white king is very passive just sitting on the first rank, while the black rook is behind the black b-pawn, greatly inhibiting its advance. Also, the black rook can easily capture the white a-pawn, then black will have 2 passed pawns, with one especially close to queening. I don't see an immediate win for black, but I suppose that white didn't want all these factors stacked against him, not to mention he's playing Alexander Alekhine.
Jul-28-03  John Doe: he can still draw by perpetual check can't he?
Jul-28-03  John Doe: and the f pawn blocking. Grr.
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  Honza Cervenka: 33.R1d6+ Kg5 34.Rd5+ f5 etc.
Jul-28-03  radu stancu: I searched for this game and I turned out with some additional moves : 33. R1d6+ Kg5 34. Rd5+ f5 35. Rxg7+ Kh6
and white resigns...
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  technical draw: The above additional moves are correct. This is a game where white tries to be too cool thinking he has blacks queen doomed. Hey that's Alekhine, the big A, you're playing against Georg. You even lost the last "e".
May-16-06  madlydeeply: Salwe was a big time loser...lost showcase games to Nimzovich and Rubinstein...thank goodness there are players like Salwe around so our heroes can have brilliancies...
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  ganstaman: I'm probably just missing it, but how does 30. R3d2 lose?
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  technical draw: <ganstaman> White didn't play 30.R3d2 but instead grabbed the rook with the queen because he mis-calculated and thought he would get the queen back and be up a rook. If he had calculated correctly he might have opted for 30. R3d2 and be satisfied with a draw.
May-16-06  Calli: The thing is exchanging all the way down is bad for White because Black's h-pawn will win. My theory: Salwe sees 30.R3d2 Rxd2 31.Rxd2 Rc8 and now 32.Qxa4 Rc1+ 33.Rd1 Rxd1+ 34.Qxd1 Qxd1+ 35.Kxd1 Kf8 is a lost endgame. However, he might have missed 30.R3d2 Rxd2 31.Rxd2 Rc8 32.Qc4! using the back rank threat to stop the exchange.

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  beatgiant: <Calli>
You're right. I'll admit I missed 32. Qc4 too.

I didn't find any quick win against this defense, but Black has very good chances because of the passed h-pawn and White's exposed king.

For example, 30. R3d2 Rxd2 31. Rxd2 Rc8 32. Qc4 Qf5 33. Qxa4 h5, but it's very hard to give an exact line beyond that for the ensuing heavy piece ending.

Jun-03-06  lentil: when was the 3-fold repetition rule introduced? today, W could have claimed a draw at move 28.
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  Chessical: <18.Qd2> is equal, 18...Bxb2 19.Qxb2 Rfd8 20.Rxd8+ Rxd8 21.Be2
Oct-07-16  MekkiAlgeria: <lentil> there is only 2 repetition in the game, the repetitive sequence is ( Qh5 . Ke1- Qh1 . Ke2) they played it twice ,then at the third time Alekhine changed it by playing (29. .. Rc2 instead of Qh1 ) to avoid a possible Ke2 from Georg Salwe which lead to a draw by 3 repetitions
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  master8ch: It's not about repetitive sequences (although there are three,) it's about repetitive positions, and they don't even have to be consecutive. After Alekhine played 28...Qh5+, Salwe should have called an arbiter to the board, saying he intended to play 29.Ke1, bringing about a threefold repetition of the position, and that he was claiming a draw. That's exactly what Fischer did, with an inferior position against Petrosian in their third '71 candidate's match game, when a position was reached (nonconsecutively) for the third time. Then Fischer rattled off four wins in a row and won the match.
May-17-21  sudoplatov: Again in these types of positions, the first Ne4 (or ...Ne5) usually gets an advantage.
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  beatgiant: <master8ch>
This question about 3-fold repetitions in old games comes up often. For example, see the discussion at Levenfish vs Botvinnik, 1937
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  beatgiant: <master8ch>
For other discussions of the historical versions of the 3-fold repetition rule, see Pillsbury vs Burn, 1898 and B Verlinsky vs Ilyin-Zhenevsky, 1925

At the risk of oversimplifying this big topic, some events used a rule based on sequence of moves, not positions, as late as the 1930s. The position-based rule probably became the international standard since the 1940s.

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